tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post2578528271917106776..comments2023-12-18T00:23:37.110-05:00Comments on LieStoppers: Only Race Matters: A Duke Woman Speaks About A Disturbing Aspect of the University’s Response to the Lacrosse ScandalMarco2006http://www.blogger.com/profile/01235104902243866449noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-75940379222372858312007-03-28T21:48:00.000-04:002007-03-28T21:48:00.000-04:008:40 am (#3 response to this post)Reflecting on yo...8:40 am (#3 response to this post)<BR/><BR/>Reflecting on your arguments 1 thru 4, the only thing I can surmise is A.) you were not fortuneate enough to get a Duke education as did Meadow,or B.) Your Duke education was in the AAS department. What postmodernist, un-critical, reverse racism claptrap arguments! Learn how to include all factors in your analyses if you want to be an intellectual. Meadow exercises her intellect so much better than you do and she's "just a housewife." <BR/><BR/>Meadow, my daughter gets this "what are you doing?" stuff from many of her Syracuse U. sisters too. But, my grandkids are happy to have her at home, and so is her husband. You do a darn good rant, darlin'. I wish I could write as well as you do. I hope to see more of your input.<BR/><BR/>GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-24220427108548882772007-03-27T21:15:00.000-04:002007-03-27T21:15:00.000-04:00Susan B Anthony and her gang would be so proud of ...Susan B Anthony and her gang would be so proud of Womens Lacrosse and you, For those who faught and continue the good fight for equality, you are heroines. Jackie Kennedy said "Raising your children is the hardest thing a woman can do. There is always time for a career. As an empty nester, once the kids go to College, it is never the same again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-21514193739083066632007-02-16T20:58:00.000-05:002007-02-16T20:58:00.000-05:00An excellent article! Thank you for showing me th...An excellent article! Thank you for showing me that not everyone has lost their mind that's associated with DukeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-2833668273622477692007-02-16T10:31:00.000-05:002007-02-16T10:31:00.000-05:00Well - written article. With regards to staying at...Well - written article. With regards to staying at home with your kids, ignore the plaintive bleats from the academic ivory tower. I got the same thing when I got my PhD and decided to go into business. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that the Women's Studies departments nationwide are the first people to condemn and devalue full-time parenting by women? <BR/><BR/>Sad, pathetic and bigoted.<BR/><BR/>Stick to your guns!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-14459362678067032132007-02-02T00:07:00.000-05:002007-02-02T00:07:00.000-05:00After reading the output of the Women's Studies De...After reading the output of the Women's Studies Department at Duke, I'm thinking that homosexuality ain't all that bad.<br /><br />Thanx.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17094289894120872270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-41773025025541224132007-01-30T01:42:00.000-05:002007-01-30T01:42:00.000-05:00I blogged twice about this at Volokh.com:
http://...I blogged twice about this at Volokh.com:<br /><br />http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_01_28-2007_02_03.shtml#1170135133<br /><br />http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_01_28-2007_02_03.shtml#1170131166<br /><br />Jim lindgrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-69221213850027870662007-01-28T12:23:00.000-05:002007-01-28T12:23:00.000-05:00Meadow,
We have much in common--I am also a female...Meadow,<br />We have much in common--I am also a female Duke alum of the 90s, an English major, a mother. I was also confounded when the allegations first came out--I knew immediately that something was wrong with the story. Like you, I was disappointed with those of the Group of 88 members who had been favorite professors of mine, and I was also confused by the Rolling Stone article. The Duke represented in that article was completely unrecognizable to me and to all of my alumni friends.<br /><br />Thanks for telling our side of the story here, it's a perspective that has gone entirely ignored.<br /><br />Jennifer<br />Trinity '92Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-66030463589528104432007-01-28T11:00:00.000-05:002007-01-28T11:00:00.000-05:00Someone named Rod Allison from Detroit posted this...Someone named Rod Allison from Detroit posted this on the DIW website. I thought it was worth repeating:<br /><br />Think back to last spring and the maelstorm of liberal press condemnation of the men's lacrosse players, and the larger culture that they felt these players represented.<br /><br />At that time, the women's lacrosse team's statement in support of their classmates was a lonely and defiant one. And, not suprisingly, they were attacked with sexist stereotypes and insults.<br /><br />How should one thank Coach Kimmell and her players for what has turned out to be a prescient and courageous stand?<br /><br />How about if donors who regularly contrubute to Duke University earmarked this years contribution to the Women's Lacrosse Team?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-2972525272080694872007-01-26T10:34:00.000-05:002007-01-26T10:34:00.000-05:00There will be no apology, no admission of wrong-th...There will be no apology, no admission of wrong-thinking, no acknowlegement of the TRUTH by anybody in the G88. When facts don't fit, facts get ignored. I agree 100% with Meadow. We all need to speak out with our checkbooks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-78499060755294026772007-01-26T09:53:00.000-05:002007-01-26T09:53:00.000-05:00Meadow, I heartily join the thanks and appreciatio...Meadow, I heartily join the thanks and appreciation expressed in these responses. I'm proud you're a fellow Duke alum, and would like to add that the intellingence, thoughtfulness and sense that shine forth in your writing reflect my recollections of my women classmates at Duke. I'll be happy to join 8:36 in chipping in to pay for the Chronicle ad if necessary, but if I were on the Chronicle's editiorial board I'd be begging you for permission to publish it! Great job, and many thanks. Bob Hyde, Duke '67Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-4366331047392207502007-01-26T08:36:00.000-05:002007-01-26T08:36:00.000-05:00Meadow
Please publish your outstanding essay as a...Meadow<br /><br />Please publish your outstanding essay as a full page ad in the Duke Chronicle. It's not too expensive. Let us know how and we will help pay for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-51889134216570114642007-01-25T21:50:00.000-05:002007-01-25T21:50:00.000-05:00One of the best posts ever! Thanks Meadow.One of the best posts ever! Thanks Meadow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-83220549301996873272007-01-25T21:24:00.000-05:002007-01-25T21:24:00.000-05:00I am particularly glad you brought up the Duke adm...I am particularly glad you brought up the Duke administration's banning of women trying to register voters. That had never happened before, however difficult the circumstances, and is no small matter. It was and is truly embarassing.<br /><br />In all respects, a wonderful article. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-61370620971501164522007-01-25T17:19:00.001-05:002007-01-25T17:19:00.001-05:00I think 2:36 is just being a bit of a dick. I am s...I think 2:36 is just being a bit of a dick. I am sure 2:36 always has perfect prose!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-67494244630348993142007-01-25T17:19:00.000-05:002007-01-25T17:19:00.000-05:00Meadow,
We're a household of Duke grads and are b...Meadow,<br /><br />We're a household of Duke grads and are blessed with a HS daughter who may apply to Duke this fall. <br /><br />There is so much to ponder in your thought provoking piece, so I'll just respond to one. It's incredible that there is supposedly serious discussion about women's post college career choices in the 21st century that imply that highly qualified women must choose a nose-to the-grindstone job in order to validate their college degree. Speaking as a successful male working in the corporate world, I've never chosen nor pursued a CEO position, and feel like I haven't given anything up by taking an alternative path that doesn't require 80 hour weeks.. Most job creation in the US (profit, and not for profit)occurs in smaller organizations with flatter hierarchies, thus the idea that one must choose between career and family simply isn't the case in these organizations. Most folks simply don't aspire to careers lacking work life balance. With roughly 50 years available to allocate between a career and family it's a fallacious concept that a Duke or Ivy female grad is wasting their degree to choose to be a mother first. <br /><br />Enjoy your turn at motherhood, and if you later choose to pursue a career with a paycheck, we'll be fortunate to have you join us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-54198656104303751732007-01-25T17:18:00.000-05:002007-01-25T17:18:00.000-05:00If it was my article, I'd really appreciate the gr...If it was my article, I'd really appreciate the grammatical corrections. Especially if I was being encouraged to submit it for publication.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-67300944869599524102007-01-25T17:02:00.000-05:002007-01-25T17:02:00.000-05:002:36... your point?2:36... your point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-45539477440468571322007-01-25T16:47:00.000-05:002007-01-25T16:47:00.000-05:008:40
One of the best reasons for reinstitution ...8:40 <br />One of the best reasons for reinstitution of tarring and feathering I have yet seen.<br /><br />Trinity60Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-73959331062669832122007-01-25T15:48:00.000-05:002007-01-25T15:48:00.000-05:00Thank you so much for this heartfelt account. I a...Thank you so much for this heartfelt account. I am a Duke grad, father of two daughters, one of whom is a current Duke student. I hope my daughters can be as clear thinking as you. The denigration of Duke women by those with agendas is mind-boggling. Please publish this in the Chronicle or Duke Magazine--BuddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-33156468813060682572007-01-25T14:48:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:48:00.000-05:00I think "get a life" should be amended to "get a l...I think "get a life" should be amended to "get a life Robyn Wiegman."<br /><br />If you get the point "Professor." <br /><br />-Esquire-<br />-Maryland-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-19935274917854413122007-01-25T14:36:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:36:00.000-05:00I think "racially insensitive" should instead be "...I think "racially insensitive" should instead be "racially sensitive".<br /><br />"it’s postmodern" should be "its postmodern"<br /><br />"her players choice" should be "her players' choice"<br /><br />=====<br /><br />spellcheck finds lots of problems with the quotes, but I find [sic] annoying so please don't do that :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-59885942624441069972007-01-25T14:27:00.001-05:002007-01-25T14:27:00.001-05:00Many thanks from a fellow Duke alum. I also happe...Many thanks from a fellow Duke alum. I also happen to be the proud parent of a current member of the women's lacrosse team. Your essay most properly accords the coach and team all due credit for the courageous stance they took right from the start of this disaster.<br />Your clear thinking writing also proves to any rational observer that, to the G88/87, the rape hoax merely presented a timely opportunity to capitalize on the misfortunes of the accused in order to advance and advertise their political orthodoxy. The signers of the listening ad and its follow-up have been shown to be shallow minded, unconcerned and uncaring for their students, and lacking both the integrity and courage to admit to their wrong-headed rush to judgment.<br />DU75Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-58983643236883854672007-01-25T14:27:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:27:00.000-05:008:40 - I hear slaves got bitten by dogs in the day...8:40 - I hear slaves got bitten by dogs in the days of slavery as well. Thus, under your novel logic, anyone who says anything about dog bites must also be referring to slaves getting bitten by dogs. At least anyone with whom you disagree in a debate.<br /><br />Thank you for an absurd commentary that serves to highlight my thanks for attending a Jesuit school.<br /><br />-Esquire-<br />-Maryland-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-26987787159378025102007-01-25T14:25:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:25:00.000-05:00Meadow,
You are my Hero - Bravo and Booyah !!
...Meadow, <br /><br />You are my Hero - Bravo and Booyah !! <br /><br />I secretly hope you are a Chi Omega - as my daughter is, Class of 07' at William and Mary. I assure you as a Lax player AND a clear headed young woman - she fully supported the Duke womens team's decision to wear the arm bands. <br /><br />While I am unclear of the details - perhaps you are. I was told the original bands had "Innocent" on one side and the 3 falsely accused players jersey numbers on the other. Is it true that the Athletic Director bowed to pressure from the Group of 88 and Brodhead's office and required that the team remove the word "Innocent" from the bands before their Nationally televised Title game ?? <br /><br />If so, just gives one more reason for you and all other Duke Alumni to ignore the monthly solicitations for your money and send those donations to the Players Legal defense fund, which is reportly WAY WAY behind the $240,000 PER MONTH these brave families are borrowing to defend their good names.<br /><br />Thank you for your excellent article.<br /><br /><br />Father of Womans Lax Player , Spokane WA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-61355806203866868472007-01-25T14:18:00.000-05:002007-01-25T14:18:00.000-05:00IMHO, women were well represented in the debate, j...IMHO, women were well represented in the debate, just not the kind of women you want. The kind of women that took the spotlight were the anti male feminist caricature you talked about (I'll refer to them as rad-fems for this point on for lack of a better term). It looks to me that a lot of women (and men) did not speak up on the subject for fear of retaliation and redicule from these rad-fems.<br /><br />Like it or not, these rad-fems academics (e.g. group 88,87 types) types are the ones that speaks for women now (not always but to a large degree). We've all let this happen over the years and now we are paying the price. Keep in mind this is not new, these women were there when I was in University 20yrs ago, but had not solidified their power base to the extent they have today.<br /><br />I still remember the first time I was called a rapist! It was my first year of university and I was at a party with friends and a girl (woman) call me and my friends rapist because as she told us, any act of intercourse between a man and a woman is rape. I remember being baffle by what she said (especially since I was still a virgin :), but one of my friends explained to us that this is something that was being thought in women's study class. I remember thinking that this woman was just an isolated wacko and did not think much about it (even if a similar event occurred a few yrs later, this time it was a woman with a button about violence against women that said the same thing to me, I was the only guy in a group of 4 women in an acting class, and as you can guess no women came to my rescue here, they did not say anything to support her, but just kind of looked away and ignored the incident). <br /><br />The problem now is that these wackos are in position of trust and power and have become the dominant women in the educational, political, and media fields. We've let it happened by saying things like not all feminist are man hating feminist, only a few nuts are that way. Well guess what, my last statement might be true, but the prevalence of these few nuts in position of powers makes it that this is now becoming more and more the voice of women. since you are a mother with young kids, I am not sure how political you are, but these rad-fems in academics, politics, and media, devote a large part of their time fighting for their own agenda. In fact, the average woman will often follow the agenda because it is pro women and will not think much about it when they run into radicals because like most people they will see that these radicals are not in the majority and will think that they are not important. The problem here is that these rad-fems do not need to be in the majority to represent the majority which is what is happening. Just think about what all these women that support the Vagina Monologues! It does seem like an empowering, trendy cool things to do but at the same time most women do not realize that they are in fact supporting the rad-fems who put up V-days across campuses and want to bring it in high shools. (I leave it to you to google up V day and vagina monologues and see where it leads you)<br /><br />Yes, unfortunately, we did not hear a lot from the average women but we heard a lot of women. The small vocal group we heard about are the self appointed speakers for women and will remain to be until people recognize that we are not talking just a few nuts and wakos here, we are talking about a well organized network of radical feminist that have strategically position themselves in positions of power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com