tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post3212019976190289737..comments2023-12-18T00:23:37.110-05:00Comments on LieStoppers: CluelessMarco2006http://www.blogger.com/profile/01235104902243866449noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-72005804363130087122007-02-25T14:17:00.000-05:002007-02-25T14:17:00.000-05:00Nifong is a thug with a political office, not much...Nifong is a thug with a political office, not much more to add to that. <BR/><BR/>Where I have to break with it is citing Brent Turvey as any kind of moral authority or for that matter as an authority on forensic science. He applied for a job working for Dr. Lee Colwell at the UALR Criminal Justice Institute as an entry level tech and was declined. In Lee's words (I asked him) "He didn't have any experience working in a lab."<BR/><BR/>But there is more. <BR/><BR/>While retained by the Baggen family to investigate their daughter, he seduced and eventually moved in with one of their surviving daughters (love to hear more about his so-called professional ethics) while still married to the woman who put him through graduate school, Barbara Troyer-Turvey. <BR/><BR/>He often touts his law enforcement background, and yet he lacks even POST entry level qualifications (the standard used in nearly every state in the US). The only credible reference he's ever had, Sitka Police Department, he filed suit against when they stated as fact that he had never been a detective there. <BR/><BR/>Turvey had, in fact, under oath in a capital murder trial in California claimed to have been a detective in "Sitka, Alaska".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-58225081829116465122006-12-25T13:40:00.000-05:002006-12-25T13:40:00.000-05:00Law enforcement withing North Carolina, and the re...Law enforcement withing North Carolina, and the rest of the world, should be encouraged to avoid using DNA security, EVER, in the future, for any work. They have proven they are not ethical, why would I believe them if I was on a jury? <br /><br />I am sending out some emails urging NC officials to boycott them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-85550080925443447832006-12-25T13:37:00.000-05:002006-12-25T13:37:00.000-05:00Boycott of DNA lab, pleaseBoycott of DNA lab, pleaseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-74998782655282832006-12-19T17:28:00.000-05:002006-12-19T17:28:00.000-05:00The "old fashioned way" works only when the allege...The "old fashioned way" works only when the alleged rape is not reported for several days, so DNA cannot be collected, or at least reliable DNA. In cases where DNA IS used for conviction (and for acquittal), we have a situation in which the person who claims to have been assaulted and who is checked by doctors in the hours right after the alleged event.<br /><br />The latter is what happened in the Duke case. The woman claimed she had just been raped, and so the doctors were able to get reliable DNA samples. That and the other medical evidence tells us that she surely was NOT raped, and that the young men at the party COULD NOT have been the ones.<br /><br />What the trolls on this site, as well as the NAACP and black churches in Durham have been declaring is that they want ALL DNA evidence ignored. This is what I would call the Scottsboro Standard. We better can call it the "racist" standard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-91596200244828093382006-12-19T15:43:00.000-05:002006-12-19T15:43:00.000-05:00"The most important exculpatory evidence...especia..."The most important exculpatory evidence...especially...[at the]immediacy of the alleged event, is DNA."<br /><br />I agree Bill - how often are wrongly accused released from prison purely based on "another's DNA match"<br /><br />Nifong said "he'd do this [persecution] the old fashioned way, as they did before DNA"<br /><br />This logic only works for those with an IQ under 50. We don't do it the old fashioned way because DNA was not available then - with DNA, the wrong people don't go to jail.<br /><br />We don't burn witches if they float either Mike - despite your sentimental approach to "crime fighting"<br /><br />By the way Mike - how's the search going for the "DNA 5" - the guys who left the DNA trail - having trouble tracking them down ? Give "OJ" a call !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-2130764196966491532006-12-19T14:39:00.000-05:002006-12-19T14:39:00.000-05:00Congressman Jones sent another letter to the DOJ, ...Congressman Jones sent another letter to the DOJ, update dwith Fridays DNA omition.<br /><br />http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5700Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-13491517240466506262006-12-19T13:48:00.000-05:002006-12-19T13:48:00.000-05:00LS,
Good point. At first I interpreted "records ...LS, <br /><br />Good point. At first I interpreted "records . . . dating <B>to</B> January 2002” as being the opposite of "records . . . dating <B>from</B> January 2002." But in context, it really doesn't make sense for the newspaper to be reporting on 4-year-old records. On second read, I think you had things right all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-30137467149393470802006-12-19T13:28:00.000-05:002006-12-19T13:28:00.000-05:00BRAVO Liestoppers! Outstanding piece of work. Take...BRAVO Liestoppers! Outstanding piece of work. Take a bow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-83531239974645828082006-12-19T12:31:00.000-05:002006-12-19T12:31:00.000-05:00huesofblue,
I read this as the N&O having checked...huesofblue,<br /><br />I read this as the N&O having checked backwards from the time of the research until January 2002 and coming up with no records. <br /><br />“DNA Security had done no public work, whether for a judge, district attorney, public defender or court appointed lawyer, according to financial records of the Administrative Office of the Courts dating to January 2002.” <br /><br />I don't think they checked prior to January 2002. There would have been no reason to do so and certainly no reason to do so without checking from 2002 until now. My guess is that the AOC may not be the entity to pay for the workshops and thus it did not show on the N&O's search.<br /><br />LSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-60115644761489051722006-12-19T12:25:00.000-05:002006-12-19T12:25:00.000-05:00LS,
Quick note. You mentioned that, according to...LS, <br /><br />Quick note. You mentioned that, according to the N&O, DNA security wasn't on record as doing any public work before January 2002. While that's true, I wouldn't take it to mean that they hadn't done any public work prior to this case. According to the Triangle Biz article you cited: <br /><br />"In 2003, Meehan decided he wanted to expand the company and get into forensic DNA testing, which is used in criminal investigations and court cases."<br /><br />Accordingly, it makes sense that they don't show up as doing any work as of 2002.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-76803333112116183682006-12-19T12:01:00.000-05:002006-12-19T12:01:00.000-05:00In this day of CSI, no juror is going to believe t...<i>In this day of CSI, no juror is going to believe that 3 guys raped a woman and left no DNA on or in her.<br /><br />8:10 AM </I><br /><br />Especially when there is DNA from a bunch of other men in and on her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-5048850424165765962006-12-19T11:16:00.000-05:002006-12-19T11:16:00.000-05:00Who did award Meehan his PhD?
The Duke English De...Who did award Meehan his PhD?<br /><br />The Duke English Department? That talk real good of make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-14106659001043836012006-12-19T09:06:00.000-05:002006-12-19T09:06:00.000-05:00I agree Bill-it's ridiculous, these people are jus...I agree Bill-it's ridiculous, these people are just looking for a "leader", someone to hold up to the public as their poster child...a black woman "struggling" to raise a family who was abused so visciously by three elite white wealthy men seemed too good to be true (and it was). You think they are going to turn their backs on something that can push tons of agendas their way? Look at who has latched onto this case; The New Black Panthers, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, every prominent black leader sees this woman as their savior. And do you honestly think it's because they care for her, are concerned for her, actually care that she was raped? How many black (and white) women are raped daily? It doesn't seem to matter when a "sista" is raped by another black guy, but oh nelly, throw the word whitey into the mix and suddenly you've got an injustice so bad, so horrible, it can't even be tolerated! Those other rape victims, psh, it wasn't so bad because it wasn't white male elite wealthy kids doing the raping. Duh.<br /><br />There is no way they are about to admit their savior is actually just a back alley slut who didn't want to get locked up. <br /><br />These people are looking for "justice" to be served on the tons of injustices blacks endured and at times, still endure today. Three rich white boys are going to be their sacraficial lambs. They don't care. White is white, whether guilty or innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-2484487907803532222006-12-19T08:34:00.000-05:002006-12-19T08:34:00.000-05:00The last two comments are what is so frightening a...The last two comments are what is so frightening about this case. As we have seen from the local Durham blacks (or at least who claim to be local blacks), they are DEMANDING that all DNA evidence that is exculpatory be ignored. Furthermore, they say that a jury MUST ignore it, and today's Herald-Sun editorial comes close to saying the same thing.<br /><br />The most important exculpatory evidence following an accusation of rape, especially when police can treat the woman's body as a crime scene because of the immediacy of the alleged event, is DNA. Yet, potential jurors as well as the Durham paper are telling us that this is not important.<br /><br />Furthermore, we read the accuser's support website, Our Hearts World, which was set up by prominent local blacks. This site also calls for jurors to ignore exculpatory DNA. When I pointed out in a recent article how dangerous that was, the site branded me a racist.<br /><br />Do the blacks of Durham really want ALL exculpatory DNA ignored in this one? If so, then they are demanding it be excluded everywhere. Because exculpatory DNA has been used to release wrongfully-convicted blacks from prison, the "black leadership" of Durham is demanding that wrongfully convicted black males be kept in prison.<br /><br />They somehow believe that such actions can be confined to this one case. Sorry, that will not happen. If Nifong gets his trial and conviction because the jury deliberately ignored exculpatory evidence, then the precedent set will be horrendous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-42659191439221253752006-12-19T08:24:00.000-05:002006-12-19T08:24:00.000-05:00In this day of CSI, no juror is going to believe t...In this day of CSI, no juror is going to believe that 3 guys raped a woman and left no DNA on or in her. <br /><br />8:10 AM <br /><br />No, only Bob Ashley is stupid enough to believe that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-88937864969500978992006-12-19T08:10:00.000-05:002006-12-19T08:10:00.000-05:00"debunk the science of DNA"
In this day of CSI, n..."debunk the science of DNA"<br /><br />In this day of CSI, no juror is going to believe that 3 guys raped a woman and left no DNA on or in her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-69519903837707852322006-12-19T08:06:00.000-05:002006-12-19T08:06:00.000-05:00Meehan comparing DNA from a bank robbery with a ra...Meehan comparing DNA from a bank robbery with a rape. And he has a PHD!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-75011224883280983192006-12-19T07:00:00.000-05:002006-12-19T07:00:00.000-05:00Clueless in Durham!
Liestoppers you have done it ...Clueless in Durham!<br /><br />Liestoppers you have done it again! That was a great piece of reporting. <br /><br />It is clear that the real criminals are the ones running the investigation & prosecution. Durham needs a house cleaning top to bottom, from the PD, to the DA, to the Judge entrusted for oversight. Why were ever indicted?<br /><br />How much more do we have to hear before this Judge throws out this Hoax?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com