tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post3578621024357675933..comments2023-12-18T00:23:37.110-05:00Comments on LieStoppers: Underlying IssuesMarco2006http://www.blogger.com/profile/01235104902243866449noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-4830049007064623162006-11-01T14:44:00.000-05:002006-11-01T14:44:00.000-05:00So, not knowing their names would make me ignorant...So, not knowing their names would make me ignorant about everything, nullify my opinion about lots of facts:<br />1) The "lineup" consisted only of Duke lacrosse players.<br />2) She has a history of unsubstantiated rape allegations.<br />3) The other dancer contradicts her story.<br />4) The other dancer said the accuser her to bruise her.<br />5) One of the defendents was in a taxi at the time of the alleged crime.<br />6) The DNA didn't match.<br /><br />But I don't know their freaking NAMES. Wow, that takes the cake.<br /><br />Unfortunately, Nifong will probably win because Cheek and Monk are going to split the vote. This sucks.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-19689001325384762942006-11-01T13:04:00.000-05:002006-11-01T13:04:00.000-05:0011:56 am
I'm not name calling. Just calling you o...11:56 am<br /><br />I'm not name calling. Just calling you on that lie that you stated.<br /><br />Listen: (Just) about everyone knows the name of the defendants because their name and picture has been on (just) every cable news station, and every major newspsper. And may I add the internet.SouthernGirl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01829901840187884140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-91979611638222018992006-11-01T11:56:00.000-05:002006-11-01T11:56:00.000-05:00justice58
So the fact that you can use the intern...justice58<br /><br />So the fact that you can use the internet to find the names of the 3 defendants means I'm a liar? Because you disagree with me you resort to disparaging remarks and name calling? Why don't you try to convince me why many in Durham's AA community think Nifong is handling this correctly, since you seem willing to speak for them. Or, is just talking smack your thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-48450377447656870732006-11-01T01:52:00.000-05:002006-11-01T01:52:00.000-05:00how the hell are you going to ask for a change of ...how the hell are you going to ask for a change of venue because of excess publicity when the defense has been leaking the most to the media, putting people on 60 minutes and having press conferences? They have contributed to the excess publicity, especially most recently after the indictments when nifong went silent for the most part. they will not get a change in venue. if one is granted, there will be a riot. no. the judge is not a regular durham judge so he can dismiss without repercussions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-42245683061657232722006-10-31T21:54:00.000-05:002006-10-31T21:54:00.000-05:00Truthfully, I used to want a trial just so they co...Truthfully, I used to want a trial just so they could clear their names. Now I just want the case dismissed. The normal people know they are innocent. I have so little faith in the justice system in NC that I don't want them to take that risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-90135334360529319562006-10-31T21:21:00.000-05:002006-10-31T21:21:00.000-05:00I’ve come to the realization that some people will...I’ve come to the realization that some people will never change their originally formed opinions regarding this case. Like justice58, they choose to ignore the facts contradicting their preconceived opinions only to hold on to the glimmer of hope that a crime actually did occur. For WHAT? I would go so far to say that even if the AV came out and admitted that see made the whole story up in her angered state that night only to avoid being put into rehab. They would only then believe that she “caved under the pressure” of the media and skeptics. They would be right there to console her and pay for her tuition, well, when she’s released from prison. I bet you would not see a single Herald-Sun column apologizing to the Durham citizens for being so one-sided in their reporting and ignoring the obvious truth. The believers run the same old ground in their arguments that “we haven’t seen all the facts.” And I’m sure that they temporally black-out when they read the words that have been posted countless times “Open Discovery Law.” What facts does the world not know? That Mike Nifong’s shoelaces are tied together and he’s going to fall flat on his face? Really, come on?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04383003271691758298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-86628574047840207722006-10-31T20:27:00.000-05:002006-10-31T20:27:00.000-05:00Watching Precious on the stand being interogated b...Watching Precious on the stand being interogated by the defense attorneys will be the best ever. Unfortunately, the lives of three innocent men are at stake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-88461311561034540782006-10-31T19:43:00.000-05:002006-10-31T19:43:00.000-05:00I would personally LOVE to see a trial, as long as...I would personally LOVE to see a trial, as long as it was held anywhere else but Durham (I don't trust that town). Or fly in a scientific-minded Japanese jury from Tokyo. Then I'd relax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-41602925727673214062006-10-31T18:52:00.000-05:002006-10-31T18:52:00.000-05:00Nifong is a racist and a manipulator of African-Am...Nifong is a racist and a manipulator of African-Americans and liberal Whites. Disgustingly, he can now, with no apparent shame or fear of reprisal, spew his race-hatred "code words" to a nationwide audience via the Associated Press in order to secure AA votes and keep his pension and 29k campaign loan. Mr. Nifong, sir, you are a worm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-48002471602234305812006-10-31T18:40:00.000-05:002006-10-31T18:40:00.000-05:00Brodhead incorectly believes that the rape accusat...Brodhead incorectly believes that the rape accusation was the primary threat to Duke's esteemed reputation and the high number of acceptances was evidence of how well the adminitration managed this incident. He does not seem to realize that he has failed miserably and should at least audit a lecture on Crisis Management at the business school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-77289372443566937412006-10-31T18:39:00.000-05:002006-10-31T18:39:00.000-05:00ANONYMOUS 10:08am
quote:I doubt that most AA's co...ANONYMOUS 10:08am<br /><br />quote:I doubt that most AA's could even name the 3 players.<br /><br />You're lying: Collin Finnerty, Reade Seligmann, Dave Evans. <br /><br />Do you want any more names of the lacrosse players??<br /><br />Stop spreading lies about what you think AA's don't know. It just shows your ignorance.<br /><br />Just maybe, if you didn't have such a stupid attitude, then you might learn something about African Americans.SouthernGirl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01829901840187884140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-2326657868519953322006-10-31T17:16:00.000-05:002006-10-31T17:16:00.000-05:00People who send their kids to Duke should stop and...People who send their kids to Duke should stop and think. For 45,000$ a year, if any local makes the most outrageous accusation, your kid could be facing 30 years in a lovely Durham prison. Hardly seem worth it to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-74241414370521340732006-10-31T13:49:00.000-05:002006-10-31T13:49:00.000-05:00How can a judge ignore these prejudicial remarks b...How can a judge ignore these prejudicial remarks by Nifong if cited by the defense in a request for change of venue. Duke University has no idea the damage that is being done to their future enrollment as a result of this outrageous case. In time, they will wish they had shown some leadership and courage, but only after some pain will this dawn on Duke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-28041425091685140272006-10-31T13:15:00.000-05:002006-10-31T13:15:00.000-05:00They absolutely should ask for a change in venue. ...They absolutely should ask for a change in venue. Doesn't mean they will get it, as the judge has to grant it, and of course we all know how everything goes in Durham.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-44366413954968043842006-10-31T13:09:00.000-05:002006-10-31T13:09:00.000-05:00Nifong's latest comments are another indication of...Nifong's latest comments are another indication of why the defense team should request a change of venue. Any trial should be about the specific charges against the 3 defendants, not about Durham and its divisions and problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-84579532680340264142006-10-31T10:14:00.000-05:002006-10-31T10:14:00.000-05:00Nifong just keeps putting his foot is his mouth an...Nifong just keeps putting his foot is his mouth and the judges, Justice Department, North Carolina officials look the other way. It's disgusting. Where is the ethics panel of the NC Bar Association?<br /><br /> You are correct a prosecutor is supposed to be a 'Minister of Justice'. At least that's how I was raised along with the police officer is supposed to be your friend. That's why for the first 2 weeks or so I too believed a crime had been committed. I was suckered into it because the DA said it happened and I believed him. <br /><br />Instead of being a 'Minister of Justice', Nifong is a:<br /><br />Misrepresenter of Justice <br />Mockerer of Justice<br />Perverter of Justice<br /><br />You decide which one is it or perhaps all 3?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-65176370195064503102006-10-31T10:08:00.000-05:002006-10-31T10:08:00.000-05:00The elephant in the room, in this case, has always...The elephant in the room, in this case, has always been racism. AA's have endured racism for generations, and continue to do so. However, in the 60's and 70's, the civil rights movement, under the leadership of ML King, caused whites of conscience to be appropriately shamed by their "inner racist" and began to cause them to have a change of heart. Subsequently, many, if not most whites are attempting to raise their children without the shackles of racism which were a part of their own upbringing. However, the AA community, whether through righteous anger, continued racism, or the convenience of having the excuse and culture of victimization, has not dealt with their own internal racism, nor are there many prospects for their being shamed into doing so, since it is rare that they gain the upper hand in this country where they can be the targets of passive resistance/civil disobedience. In addition, both their AA leaders and unscrupulous political hacks like Nifong find racism an easy tool to wield when needing a knee jerk response out of the AA community. The anger I've seen in pro-AV postings hasn't been so much against the three indicted players as against whitey in general. I doubt that most AA's could even name the 3 players. Until the AA community confronts the issue of their own bigotry, things in Durham, and the rest of the country, will be unchanged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-36110227249455423722006-10-31T10:07:00.000-05:002006-10-31T10:07:00.000-05:00By taking on the the role of "racial justice fight...By taking on the the role of "racial justice fighter" in this so-called prosecution, when it all blows up in his face, Nifong can stand between Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to claim his righteous efforts were really designed to end racial divisions in Durham...to which Al and Jesse can loudly proclaim the total innocence of this brave freedom fighter, in any charges of prosecutorial misconduct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-89916703900556580132006-10-31T10:06:00.000-05:002006-10-31T10:06:00.000-05:001:38 No thanks. We don't want Nifong sent up nor...1:38 No thanks. We don't want Nifong sent up north. We have enough of our own problems already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-19723789843094660272006-10-31T09:46:00.000-05:002006-10-31T09:46:00.000-05:00Why would Nifong say "it can go away with the stro...Why would Nifong say "it can go away with the stroke of a pen" unless in fact, he realizes it should go away. I can't imagine a prosecutor making such a statement unless he knows there is no basis for going forward (other than his own personal gain). <br /><br />He further makes a case for the boys innocence when he states he is staying the course primarly to 'fix' racial divisions in Durham. HEY--what about the evidence?? If you read between the lines, never does he attribute any evidence or the boys' guilt as a reason for coninuing to try this case. Apparently, evidence is not an issue in this case--only the fight for racial justice, which apparently is worth sacrificing the lives of three young men on the part of Nifong to the AG to the Governor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-1166650038827140172006-10-31T09:04:00.000-05:002006-10-31T09:04:00.000-05:00I think this dilussional bastard Nifong sees himse...I think this dilussional bastard Nifong sees himself as a great Civil Rights figure or something. And after seeing some of the comments here and over at DinW, looks like some of the dim witted citizens of Durham do as well !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-55947103041434526102006-10-31T07:59:00.000-05:002006-10-31T07:59:00.000-05:00I say let them riot...I say let them riot...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-74353555373480370452006-10-31T07:57:00.000-05:002006-10-31T07:57:00.000-05:00If Nifong actually said these words, that in essen...If Nifong actually said these words, that in essence it matters not weither a crime occurred, all that matters are the "divisions" the case has exposed - then I beleive that the NC bar has no choice but to step in NOWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-41825714320044603542006-10-31T07:37:00.000-05:002006-10-31T07:37:00.000-05:00In other words, the previous commentor is saying t...In other words, the previous commentor is saying that no matter how much the truth is portrayed, a lie is preferable because he likes the outcome. The "criminal offspring" comment is truly offensive, as well as this idea that the accused players MUST be guilty because they are white.<br /><br />I grew up in the South and had to listen to this rhetoric from whites. Now I see that the rhetoric has not disappeared.<br /><br />You may choose to believe a lie or to propagate a lie, but even though you can insist that a lie is the truth, it still is what it is: a lie. If that is how you wish to live your life, then so be it. If you wish for a prosecutor in your county to be a man who promotes a lie, so be it, because you will have to live with the results.<br /><br />William L. AndersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31806061.post-7740184244983966372006-10-31T05:24:00.000-05:002006-10-31T05:24:00.000-05:00the stroke of the pen statement was indeed meant f...the stroke of the pen statement was indeed meant for the defense and the lax players and families. nifong is gloating in a way but he is justified after all the hell he is going thru. he is getting death threats and has security at the courthouse. that statement was nifong's way of saying that he has the power to dismiss it but he wont because he believes in his case and that he is still going forward despite all the defense/lax family media/pr efforts to destroy him and the av. he is letting them know that despite all the kc johnsons, gaynors, 60 minutes, dan abrams, susan filan, greta,the liestoppers, the talk left,friends of duke, etc that he is still here and if he wins the election that he will still proceed to nail them and their criminal offspring to the wall and to try to bring the guilty to justice. he is letting them know he is not afraid of them and all their money and power. once he is elected, it will be in his hands entirely until it gets to court and the judge can decide to dismiss it. however, here in nc, usually the prosecution puts its case on and then and only then can it be dismissed by the judge. that means if he goes to trial, that the lax families and players are in for an ordeal and a potentially embarassing exposure before the world before the judge may chose to end it. word is,though, that the local people do not want a dismissal like that as they are afraid of a riot if it does not make it to a complete trial but that is why the defense picked a judge not always in durham so he can dismiss without worrying about re-election in durham.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com