Lunacy
I’m convinced that John Stevenson of the Herald Sun just can’t stop himself from distorting the truth. His compulsion to distort appears at times to be pathological. Yesterday’s change of venue motion filed by the defense featured the Herald Sun’s systematic distortions quite prominently yet it appears to have made no difference to Stevenson. In commenting on yesterday’s hearing, Stevenson writes:
“Also during a Friday court hearing, Judge Osmond Smith ordered paternity tests to determine if any of the rape suspects was responsible for the accuser's newly disclosed pregnancy.“Nifong said the woman is expected to give birth in early February. He conceded the rape defendants almost certainly did not impregnate her, but he concurred with defense attorneys that paternity tests should be done anyway.”
Incredibly, Stevenson attempts to leave open the possibility of an immaculate conception some two months after the non-rape. While horses have a gestation period of eleven months, Stevenson hints at the possibility that pseudo-victims do too. With a due date in early February, simple math would indicate a date of conception in mid-May making Stevenson himself a far more likely candidate as the father than the defendants considering that at least Stevenson was in Durham at the time in question.
The latest Snooze Room lunacy follows local and national false reports from the accuser’s family that the child had been born nine months after the hatching of the Hoax. According to Greta Van Sustern, FOX News, and WRAL’s Julia Lewis the birth announcement was “confirmed.” On television with Greta, spokes-cousin Clyde Young, aka Cousin Jakki, shed crocodile tears while suggesting that one of the accused could be the father. Commentator Ted Williams made a mockery of himself, again, by quickly jumping on the hoax baby bandwagon. In some mainstream media reports it was noted that no less than five members of the false accuser’s family, including grandmother Gertrude, verified the birth.
Viciously, DA Nifong refused in court to stipulate that any of the defendants were not the father despite acknowledging that conception occurred well outside the relevant timeframe. In response to Nifong’s petty refusal, the defense requested that the judge order the paternity testing to debunk this nonsense. Yesterday, UNC hospital issued a statement confirming the pregnancy and the expected February due date. Despite the absolute impossibility that the father is one of the accused, Stevenson would have his readers believe that such a possibility exists.
42 comments:
an 11 month gestation period? well let's face it, is there ANYTHING the supporters of the AV won't believe if it thinks it will support their case? They have shown absolutely NO logical thought up to this point, so why would you think they would start now?!
are you sure there is no baby right?????? hmmmmm
hahahahahahahaha
Well, Nifong does lie in court to the judge...so perhaps you're right.
All he needs is for the Judge and the public to catch him in more lies!
Works either way!
hahahahahahaha!
Is there anything those rich white boys won't do?
When is Nifong adding long-distance insemination to the charges?
My guess is that Nifong is the father.
As Nifong has stated before he will get convictions "the old fashion way" perhaps that is why the H-S is supporting him. Like he stated in the old days we didn't need DNA, just a good victim witness, plus there are 2 more charges besides rape A jury may split the diference and find someone guilty of other charges. Then the 3 will get their just desserts.
DaMan-
The old fashioned way helped hang thousands of black men for simply looking in a white woman's direction--that's a great way to dole out justice don't you think?
I can guarantee when a black man in 1962 was brought to court for raping a white woman, they could dig up some "witnesses" and get a conviction...and clearly we all know every black man who hung got his justice right? He deserved it?
If one charge (rape) isn't founded, what makes yout hink the other 2 are? Oh, no, they didn't rape her, but they definitely kidnapped her and assaulted her...she was just a little confused...give me a break.
You're right-the three will get their justice...CGM will be committed and have her poor children given to foster care--she will never be allowed to spread her legs and ruin other young men's lives again. DA Liefong will be disbarred and investigated by the attorney general, and hopefully rot in the same prison cell CGM is in...maybe then she could have her fourth illegitimate child and they can raise their love child as a crook lying race pandering hooker who manipulates evidence to fit his own distorted vision of the truth...while inserting vibrators into his anus for perfect strangers to beat off to in a hotel room--a perfect combination of the two fabulous parents....
THEN-the boys will get their jobs/education back, make tons of money, get married, have a loving family and be able to support their family without removing their clothing or fucking strangers for money--they will live in nice homes, have a great family, and be able to offer their children everything in the world, while CGM struggles to get dollar tips grinding the pole at Mugs n Jugs down on the corner...maybe she should just sell one of her babies...doesn't seem like a stretch of something she'd do for a buck.
It's really sad that the people of Durham (or at least half of them) continue to flaunt their ignorance to the rest of the world. If one were to examine "the old days" carefully, one would find that they did not use DNA in the old days because they didn't know how to use it. The primary victims of this unfortunate fact of "the old days" were young black men accused of raping white women. To say that we "didn't need DNA" in "the old days" is to say that those young black men were guilty. As it turns out, many of them were not and they continue to be exonerated today by DNA evidence.
Thus, if we are wise, we learn that the way of "the old days" is a deeply flawed process that puts innocent people in jail.
The wisdom of "the old days" is often wrong. The founding fathers may have been brilliant men, but they also deemed a black man to be worth 3/5 of a white man. Were they right? Of course not.
So before we long for the way things were done in "the old days", we should perhaps really think hard about how things REALLY were in "the old days". Otherwise we reveal ourselves to be ignorant fools that the likes of Nifong will exploit and embarrass for his own personal gain.
Duke Three may be the primary victims of this prosecution, but one cannot deny that the image of Durham and its people have been ruined by his manipulative statements and actions. Then again, there is also no denying the fact that the people of Durham have been fooled enough times by Nifong to know that difference. In the end, it's ..."fool me twice, shame on me."
The people of Durham are running out of time. If they do not recant their potbanging before the charges are thrown out, their shame will live forever in the annals of American history. daman, you are hurting the people of Durham by speaking for them with such obvious lack of intelligence and logic. Give it up.
How about the kidnapping charge I don't think you need DNA for that one.
Thou shalt not bear false witness., God will punish you.
Yolanda, thou shalt not bear false witness. You can't fool God , Yolanda.
You do need evidence to prove a crime. Even kidnapping.
And if no rape occurred, what was the purpose of the alleged kidnapping? You see, there is a chain of logic here that is broken if there is no rape.
Just for you, I will give an example:
A man is accused of speeding and murdering his wife. The police added the speeding charge, which cannot be proven, because the only way this man could have killed his wife at 6:15 after leaving work at 6pm from all the way across town is by breaking all the speed limits. It is later revealed that the wife is alive. In that case, with no evidence of the speeding, the speeding charge has to be dropped, because the murder is the ONLY proof that speeding occurred in that case. It's simple logic.
Likewise rape is the only "proof" that kidnapping occurred. Get it? Without the rape, there is no kidnapping in this case.
why try to reason with theklanman, theklanman is a racist who has openly stated the he looks forward to forcible rape of the duke defendants in prison, that lying to achieve conviction is good, and that the source of his hatred is class and race envy. theklanman has typed numerous posts and has yet to explain anything at all, including how somebody could ejaculate in somebody's mouth and not leave any dna.
Now, if theklanman would have somebody ejaculate in his mouth, and have Meehan test for DNA, and find none, then he would be worth listening to.
7:30pm
LMAO...A WHITE MAN'S **** IS NOT THAT LONG.HIS **** IS TOO F****** LITTLE. AHAHAHAHAHAHA
9:27.......
and he **** in 2 minutes
heeheeheeheeheeheehee
so who said: there was not enough time to rape and white women know their men *** TOO fast
No one here is paying attention to the evidence, the victims statement to the police, the one on record is evidence. She was held in the bathroom and raped, no DNA so what she was held against her will in the bathroom, that is kidnapping. These guys are going away for a long time. Nifong is a proven winner in cases like this, he has stated so. Had it not been for men that stand up for rape victims, this case would not be going anywhere. Nifong should be treated as a hero not a villian.
DaMan if you belive everthing that comes out of Nifongs mouth you are a bigger fool than I first thought.
If Nifong told you he could part the red sea would you believe him?
By the way Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
You see, dawimp wants Darryl Hunt to be put back in prison for the Sykes murder and rape in 1984 in Winston-Salem. Hunt was convicted the "old fashioned way" before DNA testing had been established. However, the Innocence Project tested the DNA in the early 1990s, and Hunt's was not on her.
Amazingly, the DA still managed to keep Hunt in prison for nearly a decade, and the blacks in North Carolina understandably were outraged. By the way, Hunt was released and ultimately received a pardon from the governor this past year.
But, if dapatheticman gets his way, there will be no more Hunt exonerations, and the Innocence Project will be shut down. Now, he says that he does not want that to happen, but if Nifong were to succeed, that is EXACTLY what would occur.
So, he and his Durham ilk are willing to sacrifice the lives of many wrongly-convicted black men just so they can have their race-based conviction in Durham. This tells me everything I need to know about that horrid and pathetic city that produces garbage like him.
Oh God... it is so damn frustrating trying to reason with someone who is so illogical. WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT SHE WAS HELD AGAINST HER WILL??!!! Just her statement... is that her statement, against ALL of the players that were at the party and her stripper partner?? Pretty weak case.In case you haven't noticed the AV has a LOT of credibility issues, whereas, the players have not changed their story once.
I think daman is simply being sarcastic:
Nifong is a proven winner in cases like this, he has stated so.
You people is jes not undertanding!!!
Please, stop feeding the trolls.
Heck, it is 11 on Saturday night, and at this time, feeding stupid little trolls is entertainment. Most likely, he is John Stevenson, or maybe even Nifong himself! Or maybe Judge Stephens, or Richard Brodhead.
Maybe it is Karla Holloway, since the two of them are about the same quality of writer. We need to have a contest! Smoke 'em out!!
I have just finished reading the motion for change of venue, and it is breathtaking. Durham and Duke University have disgraced themselves forever, demaning huge amounts of resources be spent on a hoax -- and demanding convictions where no crime has occurred.
I would urge all of you to read this document, and to get a small sense of what innocent people have had to endure these past nine months in this sewer of a community.
http://www.newsobserver.com
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God promised Abraham He would not destroy Sodom if there were 10 righteous people in that city. Compared with Durham, from what I can tell, Sodom was a found of righteousness and decency. Yes, I know there are decent people there, and I have heard from some of them, but the change of venue motion really puts the whole city into perspective.
I never have been to Durham, and I hope never to step into that place. It is obvious from what I read that even if Reade and Collin are able to get through his hellish process without convictions, they cannot go back to Duke, as their lives would be in constant danger in that city.
Amy Poehler on SNL just tore apart Nancy Grace and the rest of the hoax enablers. If it wasn't so sad what these guys have been put through it would have been absolutely hilarious. Unfortunately it was just funny and satisfying seeing it finally become apparent what most of us already knew about these guys' innocence.
No, no I would have to agree with Bill Anderson about what a complete cesspool of garbage Durham is. I moved here three years ago to do postdoctoral work here and I am trying to get it done as fast as I can to move the hell out of here because it is horrible. What Bill Anderson is saying is right on. I have met some really great people since coming here, but unfortunately they are few in number compared to the majority. As an example of the type of people here. I play on a Durham city softball team. After one of the games the other team got pissed at one of our players and some of them went to the trunks of their cars to pull out guns, while one of the players on the other team was yelling I can't get in trouble I'm still on probabtion for shooting someone. Like I said there are some great people here that I am glad I have met and this is no idication of those select people, but unfortunately the vast majority make this place a horrible place to live and I can't wait to move out shortly here.
the triangle area(raleigh, durham and chapel hill, in case you do not know) is rated on of the top places to live consistently by various polls. It is not a cesspool. Bill Anderson is writing from somewhere no one has ever heard of: Frostburg U. 8,000 new families move into the Triangle every week so it is far from a hell hole. race relations are good in general as long as the white community does not agitate and do something obviously racist to the black community. most blacks here go along with the status quo including some convictions that may be questionable in our community becuase guess what? check out the records of the black men convicted and freed in the so called innocence project--they have long records for the most part so if they were innocent of that crime you can bet they did some others they weren't arrested for and these criminals are at least being removed from our community so no one is all that bent out of shape over the innocence project. the only times blacks get upset is some obviously racial bul----t like what is going down in this case. Anderson, your comments show you know nothing of durham and your characterization of it as a cesspool just because it is a city that is 50% black is consistent with my view of you as a racist,John Birch, KKK type person. once again, i feel sorry for your black kids.
and you are wrong in that there will be no change in venue. you cannot be on tv with press conferences and leak to the press with impunity in spite of a gag order and go on 60 minutes and then stand back and say that there has been too much publicity. it is not going to happen. changes in venue are rarely granted around here. period.
oh an nifong and crew have no idea when the baby is due. it was not confirmed that the baby was due in feb on the news here. all that was on the news was that she had pregnancy complications; unc said nothing about due date so what is in the above article from liestoppers is a lie, as usual. and guess what? my cousin is in the labor/delivery at memorial hospital(the main UNC hosptial) and the stripper is on the labor floor so ? when the baby is due so the paternity test is needed!
So you want us to go along with indicting three innocent men on what?...the ever changing story of a sex worker with a criminal record and every orifice( and her panties) filled with DNA from multiple male sources. We hear the Durham community tell us she is an honor student , great Mom, etc, as if she is Durham's role model for other young women. You demean every woman of every color who works hard on her feet all day to be a great role model for her kids.
Durham by demanding this case go to trial on this woman's word, by making her their role model, by embracing a corrupt prosecutor, by over and over posting hate here and elsewhere (ip addresses) has proven what it is.
Thank God Bill Anderson is raising his two beautiful sons in a colorblind society where they are loved and LOVE, not in a place like Durham. His children will identify with all decent people of every color..not just blindly align with one color.
They will be children of a wider, happier village. Not the Durham mentality you've shown us!
he is raising some kids that are going to hate themselves and have identity problems because he is a racist.
"Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong told Smith that none of the lacrosse players is the father of the baby, which is due in February"
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/521905.html
Not agreeing with a case of false accusation that has no evidence and was imposed on a community by a corrupt prosecutor does not make you a racist. Disagreeing with the black community when the demand a show trial in a case this flawed does not make you a racist.
You are bearing false witness. God reads your heart.
I was referring to Durham proper, not the Triangle area. Indeed, I have heard good things about the Triangle, but after seeing the authorities of Durham in action, as well as many of its citizens, I will say that the place is less than impressive.
The other day, we were talking to our boys about the fact that people in Durham are calling me a racist. One of them rolled his eyes, and then laughed when he said, "If that is true, then why did Papa adopt us." He already knew the answer.
Our little girl is from Guatemala, so I guess that means my wife and I hate Mestizos, too.
While Frostburg and Cumberland are not wealthy and sophisticated like the Triangle, I can assure you that the people here would not be so willingly taken in by a hoax. The prosecutors, and especially one in particular, believe that their honor is at stake every time they try a case.
Nifong, on the other hand, has told lie after lie, and the more he lies, the more Durham stands behind him. So, while I hope that the anonymous poster who is calling me a racist is atypical of Durham, from what I have seen, he is pretty much in the mainstream.
The Triangle area of NC has been redefined as Raleigh, Cary, Chapel Hill. Durham, you're on your own.
"the triangle area(raleigh, durham and chapel hill, in case you do not know) is rated on of the top places to live consistently by various polls. .... race relations are good in general as long as the white community does not agitate and do something obviously racist to the black community."
Well, I live here too. And, I might have agreed with you before this case. Durham does have racial problems -- I'll point to the school board as the most obvious indicator. Nearly every issue brought before the school board was racially split.
Unfortunately, what I've learned from this case is - no matter what I believe, no matter how I've raised my children, since I'm white -- if I disagree with the AA community on any issue, I am a racist.
"[M]ost blacks here go along with the status quo including some convictions that may be questionable in our community because guess what? check out the records of the black men convicted and freed in the so called innocence project--they have long records for the most part so if they were innocent of that crime you can bet they did some others they weren't arrested for and these criminals are at least being removed from our community so no one is all that bent out of shape over the innocence project."
So... you're saying that its ok when blacks are falsely charged with a crime -- cause they probably did something in their live to deserve it anyway?? Oh really? If blacks were charged in this case, the NAACP, NBPP, DOJ would be hollering like hell at the injustice. Perhaps whites need to form a NAAWP and crank up the KKK. Get some radical whites with the time and the anger to march and threaten until they get their way. Of course I don't really believe in whaat I'm saying but I do think it's what you're suggesting.
"Anderson, your comments show you know nothing of durham and your characterization of it as a cesspool just because it is a city that is 50% black is consistent with my view of you as a racist."
I agree that Bill should not say that all of Durham is a cesspool. Not everyone in Durham is part of the cesspool - the cesspool population is probably at the same racial split as the city/county itself. We most definitely have problems but just as its not right to generalize based on race, it's also not right to generalize a whole city.
"and you are wrong in that there will be no change in venue. you cannot be on tv with press conferences and leak to the press with impunity in spite of a gag order and go on 60 minutes and then stand back and say that there has been too much publicity. it is not going to happen. changes in venue are rarely granted around here. period."
A change in venue was granted in the Barbara Stager (sp?) case. Have you lived here long enough to remember that case? I have. There was not nearly the amount of publicity in that case as this AND there were no race or class issues. I suspect you're referring to defense when you talk about tv & press conferences -- have you read the venue motion?? Nifong and the H/S gave the defense all they need to move this trial -- and, if it goes to trial, it will be moved. You can bet on it.
It is not the fact that Durham is about 50% black that draws my criticism. I live in a very modest, racially-mixed neighborhood, and it is fine. When one of my black neighbors was being harassed by the police, I called the DA and talked to him for a long time, and ultimately some charges were dropped.
The point I have consistently made is that the black leadership of Durham is not interested in what really happened, only what they WISH had happened. They committed themselves to Nifong's story, and refuse to back off, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Furthermore, does any reader truly believe that Reade, Collin, and Dave could get a fair trial in Durham? Since about 30 percent of the people there say they believe that there was a rape, and a significant percentage of the people there believe that the LAX players must have "done something," that means that any potential jury in Durham would have at least half or more people who have made up their minds that the players are guilty.
That people would hold to those views, and then declare that anyone who disagreed did so because of racial hatred, tells me that Durham is a dangerous place. When the political and "moral" leadership of a city tells people that lies are the truth, and that to believe in the truth makes one a racist and bigot, then I have to wonder about the place.
Again, I know there are many fine people who live in Durham. But they are overwhelmed with those who have chosen to follow a different path.
Yeah, I guess I was a bit over the top. I made the comments right after reading the change of venue motion, when ALL of the stuff was there in page after page.
After all, New York gave us Tawana Brawley, but at least there was no prosecution. (Had Brawley accused lacrosse players instead of police and prosecutors, she might have been able to better pull of the hoax.)
But anyone who reads that motion is not going to be able to look at it and say that this was Durham's proudest moment. And, it does seem that it would be impossible to get a jury there that would be willing to look at the evidence, and that is bothersome.
At any rate, I take back the "sewer" and "Sodom" comments, but I still cannot say this is a place where people care about what is right and wrong. Maybe it is, but from what I have witnessed the past nine months, it is not a place where I would want to live.
they care about right and wrong all right and they know the lax team was in the wrong than night and have used a bunch of rich lawyers and the fact that the medical exam was botched by duke hospital as a way out of what they did. Their lawyers have succeeded in making this case about the accuser and Nifong and not the miscreants at the party.
also, the last case granted a change of venue was more than 20 years ago. It. WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.
And bill anderson, you son saying you are not a racist does not impress me one bit. he is very young and has not lived long enough yet. I wonder will he still say that you are not a racist after he goes to school and learns about the real world. call me in 20 years when you are paying either the shrink bills or lawyers bills. And I am glad the other people on this blog handed you your ass on a platter for the sodom and sewer comments about durham when you have never been here. funny you even mentioned sodom as that seems to be lax territory as they wanted the strippers to sodomise themselves with a broom!
8:19
You're words are so true. Bill A. is a racist & tries to play it off by yelling..(but i have 2 black sons). There should be a law against racist people adopting children of a different race. These poor children will be so messed up. Bill A. will most likely tell his boys they will have to date black girls b/c mixing the races is bad. Somebody please...investigate Bill A. You are a fake Bill A. I have lost total respect for you.
You never had "total respect" for me in the first place, so it is not a loss to me.
After reading the last two posts, I rescind what I rescinded. I suppose these two people are typical of the Durham population. Their words speak for themselves.
Explain why I am a racist. Is it because I doubt the word of "sister survivor"? Also, explain your proof that Duke U. hospital tampered with the DNA. How was it that they were able to separate the DNA molecues, and know which ones they were separating, something that would be a major scientific breakthrough.
Do you realize that if they could accomplish such things, that they would be able to qualify for a Nobel Prize? I had no idea that Duke U. Hospital had such great talent.
I also wish to add that the Our Hearts World people, should they be successful, will be more responsible for wrongful convictions of black men than would have been the Scottsboro Boys prosecutors. For, they want to have ALL DNA evidence elimiated. (They say they don't, but if it is eleminated successfully in this case, it will have to be eliminated in ALL cases.)
Thus, I would ask the rest of the posters: Who is the real racist here?
By the way, the "someone investigate" me comment: Is that a threat? What kind of threat?
I need to let you know that social workers here in Allegany County, Maryland, where I live and work, are well aware of our adoptions and home situation. Should you try to contact them (as you are free to do) I can assure you that not only will they tell you that you are wrong, but also I will be making sure that they find out who you are, and that we will start a criminal investigation of you.
In other words, I am contacting my people there (yes, I have good contacts) and I am going to warn them about you. Furthermore, know that the sheriff here is one of my students, and I am friends with people on the prosecutorial staff of Allegany County.
I take your remarks seriously, but know that if you choose to do something either to me or someone in my family, I will act accordingly, and there is nothing that Michael Nifong can do about it.
I spoke to a local prosecutor, who would love to be able to prosecute Nifong. Since he cannot do that, I can assure you that he would love to go after whoever you are, and this guy is a pit bull. You have no idea with whom you are dealing.
8:19 and 10:03-
if you're black, and someone disagrees with you, it doesn't make them racist.
please read that repeatedly until you understand it.
(for the record, I've lived in durham for more than 5 years, and southwest durham is actually pretty nice. I don't have any complaints besides the lack of decent public transportation. however... there are parts of durham that could certainly be described as "sewer-like". I just never, ever venture into those parts, because I don't have a death wish.)
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