Our Collective Voice - Blog Hooligan
Ms. Davidson, I hope you read this post.
I am one of your "blog hooligans." I am a fifty-seven year old woman. I was in college at a time when most elite institutions (not Duke) were single-sex. I protested the Viet Nam war. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I am from the South. I voted for Clinton twice. I will vote for Barrack Obama if he runs for national office. I HAVE BEEN a single mother, a widow, with three small children, no life insurance, no health insurance, no visible means of support, and no education equipping me to enter the marketplace in my forties. I received Social Security Survivors' benefits. I did not have enough money to pay for my husband's funeral- an anonymous party paid for it. I have never been able to find out who assumed that financial burden on my behalf so that I could thank him/her. The low point of my job hunting was being turned down for a job at The Gap. I did not turn to prostitution or stripping to support my children. Most women do not.
Spare me the gratuitous "women as victims" garbage. How do you classify Anna Nicole Smith, Ms. Davison? I imagine that she is the ULTIMATE ROLE MODEL for every stripper- she married a multimillionaire who died within a year and made her a very rich woman. Is she the sort of victim to whom you are referring? Crystal CHOSE to engage in behaviors that resulted in her separation from the Navy with a less than honorable discharge. Crystal CHOSE to have three children- and, yes, that was a CHOICE, my generation fought for that right. Crystal CHOSE to work as a stripper and sex worker. This woman CHOSE to degrade herself- it was not foisted upon her. Come down out of your ivory tower and talk to women who have raised children by themselves, we have lots of stories to tell about working hard at more than one job, about worrying about not having health insurance, about the humiliation of saying to a doctor, "How much will it cost; I can't afford it."
What DID happen at 610 Buchannan the night of March 13/14, 2006, Ms. Davidson? A bunch of young men had a party and SOME underage students consumed alcohol. They hired strippers- a not uncommon practice for men (and some women), both young and old. The women danced for approximately four minutes, got their $400 apiece and left. The only "social disaster" at Duke has been the denigration of the members of the lacrosse team and their coach.
You have turned "I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR" into "I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME WHINE"- and I, for one, resent it. Get some backbone, madam, and lose the victim banner- it serves no one.
I am one of your "blog hooligans." I am a fifty-seven year old woman. I was in college at a time when most elite institutions (not Duke) were single-sex. I protested the Viet Nam war. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I am from the South. I voted for Clinton twice. I will vote for Barrack Obama if he runs for national office. I HAVE BEEN a single mother, a widow, with three small children, no life insurance, no health insurance, no visible means of support, and no education equipping me to enter the marketplace in my forties. I received Social Security Survivors' benefits. I did not have enough money to pay for my husband's funeral- an anonymous party paid for it. I have never been able to find out who assumed that financial burden on my behalf so that I could thank him/her. The low point of my job hunting was being turned down for a job at The Gap. I did not turn to prostitution or stripping to support my children. Most women do not.
Spare me the gratuitous "women as victims" garbage. How do you classify Anna Nicole Smith, Ms. Davison? I imagine that she is the ULTIMATE ROLE MODEL for every stripper- she married a multimillionaire who died within a year and made her a very rich woman. Is she the sort of victim to whom you are referring? Crystal CHOSE to engage in behaviors that resulted in her separation from the Navy with a less than honorable discharge. Crystal CHOSE to have three children- and, yes, that was a CHOICE, my generation fought for that right. Crystal CHOSE to work as a stripper and sex worker. This woman CHOSE to degrade herself- it was not foisted upon her. Come down out of your ivory tower and talk to women who have raised children by themselves, we have lots of stories to tell about working hard at more than one job, about worrying about not having health insurance, about the humiliation of saying to a doctor, "How much will it cost; I can't afford it."
What DID happen at 610 Buchannan the night of March 13/14, 2006, Ms. Davidson? A bunch of young men had a party and SOME underage students consumed alcohol. They hired strippers- a not uncommon practice for men (and some women), both young and old. The women danced for approximately four minutes, got their $400 apiece and left. The only "social disaster" at Duke has been the denigration of the members of the lacrosse team and their coach.
You have turned "I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR" into "I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME WHINE"- and I, for one, resent it. Get some backbone, madam, and lose the victim banner- it serves no one.
Texas Mom
65 comments:
Beautifully done. Go bloggers!
Your blog reminds me of something William Buckley reputedly once said - he'd rather be governed by the first 100 people he met on the street than by the Yale faculty. I already like Texas women a whole lot more than certain female members of the Duke faculty.
TM,
Outstanding. Please send this directly to cathy.davidson@duke.edu.
I'm sure she would appreciate it!
I am so glad you reprinted Texas Mom's post. I read it this morning, OUTSTANDING!!
You go girl!!
Kemp
Texas Mom......such eloquent passion - I think I'm in love....thank you...
i am a liberal Democrat sho has never voted Republican. I do respect George W. - does this make me a right wing blog hooligan? Your answer to Davidson is so true of many women in our age group. Davidson is delusional or better yet - outright lying. The 88 are so tiresom trying to defend their actions with numerous words. At the least they should admit -" I did it - I am not sorry - I would do it again"
Texas Mom I have news for you. You aren't a Democrat anymore. Obama is as much of a fraud as AV is. You are now more of a Giuliani Republican with your pro choice stance. Come on in, the water's fine. Great blog, Madam!
BRAVO! Good on you for telling her like it is. Your post, along with KC Johnson's disection of the revisionist treatment of events, are a significant one-two punch rigth where it is so richly deserved!
BRAVO!!!!
Texas Mom, you are a star! What a great response to the academic airheads who don't have a clue what "real women" do for their own survival and that of their children.
Bravo, Texas Mom! I literally got goosebumps reading this posting. Lose the victimhood stance!
Cheers TM, well said...
Kethra
This Week In OFF/beat Crime 01-05-07
Washington Post
The Joe Friday Award for "Overzealous Police Work" goes to North Carolina district attorney, Michael Nifong, who may have misrepresented a rape case and ruined the lives of several people all for his own political gain.
Please send this in to the N%O as a response to Ms. Davidson.
Excellent work!
DAY-UM TXMom! Proud to be a Texan!
Bravo, Texas Mom! You are a REAL "sister survivor!!!"
You make us all proud! Joan
I am waiting for the moment when a large picture of Crystal is posted, with the caption “ Durham’s African Queen” - symbol of the women of Durham, and especially all of the single mothers struggling to support their children and make a better life for them, by any means necessary: DNA storage facility for unlimited anonymous males, pole dancing, escort service worker, vibrator performance artist, drug and alcohol abuse, serial liar.....choices any devoted mother would make for the benefit of her children.
The Gang of 88, the media, members of the black community, etc. in their hand-rubbing glee at sticking it to some upperclass white males, overlooked the fact that they will forever be tainted by their choice of icon. The next time a Durhamite is accused of anything, if the credibility of their accuser is greater than that of their own chosen benchmark - Crystal Mangum - there should be a trial.
I have come to believe that the MSM is avoiding exposure of her identity and photos because it would cut short the whole story and they are still happy milking it for all it is worth. Wouldn’t the best goal be the quickest and most absolute exoneration of Colin, Dave and Reade? Legal exoneration is not enough......it will remove the legal risks and related expenses, but not the harm done, nor the risks due to the blind, deaf and stupid people who desperately want to make Crystal Mangum their poster child. What can be done to remove any ghost of a chance that a sane person could still believe that? Remove the gloves, pressure Crystal to come clean. Or Gottlieb or Kim. Any one of them could probably trash the whole charade - first one to speak up would pull the rug out from under the others. Who knows what would convince Gottlieb or Kim to speak up, but I’ll bet removing the UNWARRANTED veil of privacy behind which Crystal has been operating would bring the sort of attention that someone with her career and interests almost certainly would not want. Crystal Mangum is not a victim of the Duke 3.....whatever else she is a “victim” of in her life (her own bad choices, for instance), she does not have the right to destroy the lives of others. It wasn’t just a drunken lie one night, she repeated various lies, committed them to paper (ostensibly sober enough to write?) and with calculating coldness, gave very detailed lies on videotape. COULD Nifong have moved forward with without that final lineup run by Gottlieb? Think about that before you toss her a pity bone.
TEXAS HOOLIGAN (mother and non-stripper), you sure make those 88 PhD's look like dummies. RIGHT ON!!! Choice and perseverance is what it's all about. The 88 will rot in hell before they join the Econ department because they are self-righteous, pot-banging, hooligans glued to a poisonous, self-serving agenda that has to blame every unfortunate act, no matter how great, no matter how trivial, on racism. Somehow, this results in a very convenient transference of guilt to the accused and away from the victim.
If their idiotic listening statement had nothing to do with the Lacrosse team, then why didn't they write it 10 years ago? Must be a darn coincidence. Sure we've got racism in America, but its root causes are not the product of underaged-drinking "hooligan?" athletes.
Thank you non-PhD Texas mom.
a trial of the victim???? you're instant ignorant. you are trying to divert attention away from the accused by calling the victim a liar. keep showing that you're scum of the earth. your racist bias is telling. this victim will identify her attackers in court. end of story.
Texas mom you're the best. Please forward to N & O !! and to cathy.davidson@duke.edu
The remaining charges will NOT be dropped. Frankly...the NAACP is "NOT" going for that crap. COUNT ON IT. Her civil rights will "NOT" be violated. But, it's your right to dream.
I am curious. Where were the group of 88 when Shelden Williams entered Duke as a freshman? Where were the pot bangers? The ad in the Chronicle? Shelden, for those of you not familiar, was kicked off his high school basketball team and unable toplay in the McDonald's all american game following an incident in a hotel where it is alleged he and his teammates gang raped a girl. All five members of the team were dismissed after his coach walked in on the event and broke it up. The only quote Shelden has ever given was "Things got out of hand." Imagine if a Lax player had made such a quote.
Texas Mom, I hope you will go to N&O site and send that as a "letter to the editor" as a rebuttal to Cathy Davidson. You should have a right to rebut, her "hooligan" comments.
Whoa 3:05... a little early in the day to be hitting the bottle that hard. FYI the NAACP are the worst kind of racists.
Texas Mom.. you lie through your teeth. You're nothing but the parent of some lousy lacrosse player. Take the bs you write and stuff it. And let me inform you..all you do is in vain b/c Mike Nifong will convict the thugs.
This is my take on his word about healing.
Mike Nifong will help Durham heal by ridding the community of all hooligans that has disrupted the city. The hooligans will not run his city. God knows they tried.
Mike is looking out for his city like a good DA should.
IMO - that's what I get from "being a part of the healing process".
3:29...the only thing that needs healing is your brain cells..you have appeared to kill too many onf them.
EVERYONE WATCH OUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE FROM TALK LEFT HAVE BEEN COMING TO THIS SITE AND POSTING YOUR COMMENTS AFTER THEY HAVE RACE BAITED YOU. JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE POSTING UNDER ANON. NOW.
3:29 p.m.; the truth is coming and it seems you are not going to like it; you should choose your heroes more carefully; Mikey just led y'all down the garden path along with Crystal in the lead. But hey if you enjoy that fantasy world you are living in...more power to you!
Yeah, 3:31, we are all getting t-shirts made up to wear at the first Duke Lacrosse game. Catchy slogan, doncha' think?
3:43: Nifong couldn't find the bottom of his coffee cup. You are right something happened to that girl that night, but it had nothing to do with the Duke lacrosse players. It was a fiction created in her own little mind.
3:47 and you are not a racist? Pretty paranoid thinking that hospital staff would conspire to doctor the DNA. Tell me, how did they know how to remove only the alleged DNA of the lax players and leave the DNA from the multiple men that she had sex with in the days prior to the lax party? When you figure that one out, let me know!
3:50 you know shit about me so go grow up.
I'm sorry 3:56 I did not look at that time correctly on the your post for the man
Thank you all-I now have a new monniker! Love it!
TEXAS HOOLIGAN
wish they hadn't shut down that false accuser support site, "2 mules for sistah sarah" or whatever it was.
in-justice58,
Time will show how wrong you are.
The Duke 3 will (and should) go free.
Mike Nifong will loose his license and his job.
Crystal Gail Mangum is a lying POS.
This is tawana brawley all over again -- and all the black outrage at white rich kids is sour grapes.
Where is the black outrage on black on black crime?
Ya'all make me ill.
theman-is nuts
I'll bet you believe O.J., don't you?
Where is all your rage about the black on black crime? They are killing and raping eachother at an incredable rate -- se la shawn barber's web page.
You just want to make up BS about the hospital -- removed the lacrosse players' DNA and added 5 other males -- Right!
Rolling on the floor and Laughing out loud ovar how f#$%^ stupid you are.
4:28, I think you refer to the justice4twosister blog. In retrospect, that site was one of the first rats off the sinking USS Nifong. How prescient of the blog owner, smarter than the Gang of 88.
Nifong has already gotten to the bottom of this case. And what did he find? Someone else's DNA that apparently the Duke nurse forgot to remove...
For a while, the Ourheartsworld site was offline, but it is up again. In that one, the attorneys are accused of being racists because they don't believe Crystal. In fact, anyone who doesn't believe Crystal is called a racist on that site.
These attorneys often have successfully represented black clients, yet because they refuse to turn their back on obvious evidence, the black community of Durham now calls them racists. This truly is a sorry development.
The idea that somehow the hospital staff at Durham could separate the various chromosomes and molecules of the different people without knowing beforehand whose chromosomes are whose is so laughable that only a member of the Gang of 88 could believe it. That is not a scientific possibility, yet we have the hoaxters out there promoting this nonsense.
PLEASE do not respond to "the(stupid)man" and "(in)justice58, they are idiots and make me want to puke.
So if you don't knock Nifong on this site, you are silenced. What does that say about Free Speech?
6:20
I proudly wear Lefty! Who's controlling Congress?? HUH
Back to the point:
Even Alison Stewart think someone got to the victim and that is the reason for the change in story. Read for yourselves.
http://newsbusters.org/node/9810
Amazing. Someone got to Crystal and made her change her DNA. Wow! Durham really is wonderland!! Say the word and make your own DNA disappear!
You're still a liar! And Administration you know the truth as well. You can't handle the truth. A sign of weakness.
"justice58 said...
6:20
I proudly wear Lefty! Who's controlling Congress?? HUH"
WTF...you are a confused SOB
Scream all you want. I don't give a S*%t.
Let's talk confusion..okay. You're the confused SOB thinking your point is being taken b/c of a freaking blog. Now that is some stupid s*%t. The real fact is Mike Nifong is gonna nail their behinds to the wall and rightly so.
Mike probably laughs himself to sleep at night thinking what idiots you are. I know I do.
They should have gotten the white girls to perform and this mess wouldn't have happen. But nooo, they wanted to act out their american psycho fantasies on black women and get away with it.
Thanks to Mike, now they must pay!
No, Justice58, Nifong is going to get nailed to the wall by the NC State Bar because of his numerous violations of the Duke 3's civil rights. I don't know where you live, but I live on a planet I like to call "Earth". All you have, Justice58, are false allegations of racism while displaying your own bigotry. The facts do not support you. Lawyers from all sorts of backgrounds and ends of the political spectrum do not support you. The only supporters you have are your fellow empty-headed bigots.
Why can't you people just ignore this justice58 clown?
1. Since no one can intrepret DNA raw results without special training, all someone has to do to fake a report to the public and media is to type something different. Do not forget that the SBI report was a lot different from the private lab report so the idea that the Dna report was altered is not that far fetched. No one would know the results are incorrect unless they can intrepret the bands and genetic markers for themselves and in that case, they probably are employed at a DNA lab themselves. All Nifong and the defense have is a typed report in reality so the idea that there may be a conspiracy about the results is not that far fetched. In fact, when the results came out in the SBI with no DNa, the samples should have been sent to the FBI, not Meehan's lab/
2.Texas mom is a lax mom and is a typical Texas racist and is an example of why many people think Texas is one of the most racist states. Texas is historically a place that the slavemasters moved to for new cotton plantations and was a hotbed of confederate sentiment; the people in texas would not even free the slaves when the rest of the south did. black people in texas celebrate the Juneteenth to this day as a celebration of the day they were freed later than the other slaves in the US. Texas is known for intolerance againist Mexicans as well as blacks. jasper texas is where they drug a black man to death about 10 years ago. On Nightline after that happened they had a town meeting and the whites in Jasper denied there was even a slight racial problem there despite FBI evidence of KKK activity. The people were in denial and so is Texas MoM. Texas mom is part of a bad tradition of Texas racism.
2:08: Only an uneducated, uninformed moron would fall for your racist propoganda.
1. It is blatantly false to suggest that all Nifong and the Defense have is typed report. Heck, this blog has linked not only the typed report but also some of the underlying data. In total the lab turned over nearly 2,000 pages of data to Nifong and the defense, far more than a typed report. Why lie? If you have to lie to make your point how strong can your argument be? Neither the SBI nor the private lab found anything that tied the accused to the accuser. How in the world is that a lot different? Again, why lie?
2. Your suggestion that all of Texas is racist reveals your own bias. Blanket statements such as yours cannot be made by anyone who does not themselves possess a racist, biased heart. The argument that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist or an Uncle Tom is getting old. Find somewhere else to sell your hatred.
are you stupid or what? the actual DNA results come out on a plastic like gel and are a series of bands that must be intrepreted. anything written up is an intrepretation and NOT the raw data which occurs on a gel in a lab and is then photographed and compared. unless you have actually viewed the gels and/or the gel photos of the gene markers and bands, then you are only seeing written data compiled and intrepreted by a person who CAN read the bands and markers and then types it up. period. thus, unless you can intrepret that there are three matching bands out of the 12 segments tested in, say, evan's test compared with the dna amplified from the stripper's fingernail( the so called partial non-exclusive match)yourself then you are reading the results of an expert and are at the mercy of what they write.
ok dumbfuck...how does any of your latest nonsense change any of the lies you've told above?
2:08 all I can say is "OH MY FREAKIN'GOD!"
4:32
Two things, first, the lab was working for Nifong, not the accused. If they were going to fake anything, or omit anything (which they did) it would be to benefit the prosecution, not the defense.
I am not sure whether they used restriction fragment-length polymorphism (RFLP) test, the one that gets you those bands.
But that isn't exactly tough to interpret. If the accused's DNA has bands that aren't in the sample from the crime, then it isn't his DNA.
The lab reported that part, but left out the next bit.
If you find bands from the crime sample that don't match the accuser's bands, or the bands of any known person then you know it was some unknown person's DNA.
For paternity, or other such relationships, being an expert might make a big difference, but just identity? Nope.
I knew the black racist conspiracy nuts would come up with excuses once this thing fell apart, I guess the excuses are here now.
Face facts, racist, you were wrong, the accused were innocent. That is the only explanation that fits the facts, without twisting them up and making up wild conspiracy theories out of thin air.
Texas Mom, you're a Libertarian. Thought I'd inform you.
And you can bet that a Libertarian government never would have done this or allowed Nifong to exist, because Libertarians act on principle, not on power.
Well said Texas Mom, you almost sound republican there (for the record I voted for GWB and will hopefully vote for Rudy or John). I think you hit the nail on the head, nothig like a dose of reality..
California Dad (former Texas Student)
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