Thursday, October 11, 2007

Thomas Sowell on Until Proven Innocent

Professor Thomas Sowell is a noted economist & Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University where he holds the Rose & Milton Friedman Fellowship. He recently reviewed Until Proven Innocent in the GOPUSA Web Site.

"Until Proven Innocent" is the title of a devastating new book by Stuart Taylor and K.C. Johnson about the rape charges against the Duke lacrosse players -- and about so many in the media and academia who treated them as guilty until they were proven innocent.

Even those of us who followed the case from the beginning will learn a lot more about what went on, both on the surface and behind the scenes, from this outstanding book.

More important, we will learn some chilling facts about how deep the moral dry rot goes in some of the fundamental institutions of this nation that we depend on, including its leading universities and its leading media....


How long will we in fact survive as a free nation when our leading universities are annually graduating thousands of students each, steeped in the notion that you can decide issues of right and wrong, guilt or innocence, by the "race, class and gender" of those involved?


That is what a large chunk of the Duke University faculty did, while few of the other faculty members dared to say anything against them or against the Duke administration's surrender to the lynch mob atmosphere whipped up on campus.


Here is the entire article

72 comments:

Anonymous said...

That does not even begin to sum it up. It is a story about deliberate intent to put innocent people in prison for political gain. It is a story of abject decay of justice. It is about lives forever changed, and a city drug through a hoax that ended up costing far more than one of it's most prestigious colleges in the nation, and millions of tax dollars.
The book is about corruption at every level of government, and the denial to admit responsibility, and have yet to make amends.
There is still "Much A' Do About Something" and this saga has only just begun.
Rhonda Fleming
Cleveland, Ohio
Sister of murdered victim of Durham,
whose case remains unsolved

Anonymous said...

Chilling indeed!

scott said...

Think college students are getting ripped off these days?

You know they are when you consider that Thomas Sowell or anyone like him could not even get hired as a college professor in the political climate of today's academia, while racists such as Lubiano, Holloway, Baker, Neal, and Farred are to be found not only at Duke, Vanderbilt, and Cornell, but at colleges everywhere.

Paying to take courses from these jokers is like pissing into the wind.

Anonymous said...

3:36

You really should be speaking out about gun control in Cleveland so nutty white guys won't go into a school & gun down innocent children. There's a work that is much more important! Don't waste time advocating for drunken morons that degrade women because they think they're entitled. Put your work to good use for someone who deserves it.

Carolyn said...

Thomas Sowell is my hero. Every time I read him, I shake my head and ask "How can someone be so smart and explain himself so well?"

Anonymous said...

10:30 AM --

As if "gun control" is going to stop nutty guys of any color from shooting innocent people of any age.

It's a proven fact that the more restrictive an area's gun laws are, the more crime there is (witness Washington DC with the strictest gun control has the highest murder rate per capita in the country; see also the increase in crime in Australia since that country made gun ownership more restrictive). It's simple really ... a criminal is more likely to commit a crime if there is a higher likelihood that his victim won't be armed.

Take your gun control nonsense and shove it into that dark place where your head is.

Now if you're looking for a more worthwhile activity, you might want to consider working on behalf of eliminating slutty (and nutty) prostitutes who masquerade as "exotic dancers" and make false accusations of rape to avoid detention and get a quick payday.

Ethical Duke said...

Duke Students for an Ethical Duke have posted a fantastic WSJ editorial by Peter Berkowitz (with his permission). We hope all of you will read it.

www.ethicalduke.com

Debrah said...

The wisdom of Thomas Sowell never runs dry (thanks Stuart Taylor!), unlike so many faculty members at Duke.

(BTW, the comment section on this blog is sparse compared to other blogs. After reading some of the comments, I can understand why. There is no moderation at all--although the ad hominems toward KC the other night were deleted, which is a good thing.

The troubled, banned poster has come here with the same filth he tried on KC. Is anyone in charge here? Or do you approve the misogyny and filth which is posted inside your comment section? Do you read these and just walk on by?)

Baldo, are you listening over there in Raleigh?

Joan Foster said...

Debra, come on in and join the Board. Baldo tries to stay on top of all this, but also has Mod duties for the Board.

On the Board,there is real discussion and trolls are quickly banned.

I'm sure Baldo will get to this as sopon as he can. Unlike DinW, the discussion is really inside..on the Board. Join us.

Debrah said...

Thanks, Joan.

:>)

Anonymous said...

"There's a work that is much more important! Don't waste time advocating for drunken morons that degrade women because they think they're entitled."

Haven't done so yet, don't plan to start. I will instead continue to advocate for some intelligent young college men who were framed by the police and slandered by racist idiots.

Anonymous said...

Debrah

I was recently emailed about my posting on this and that hoax-related board. I'm in Russia art directing photography shoots, and I'm much too bust to be attacking you or anyone else.

The last time I posted on DIW was months ago, and I recall you were helpful in providing links for me.

Polanski

Debrah said...

Bull-****.

Anonymous said...

10:30 AM

Please, be clear in your comments. This sort of rascist commentary is unneeded and unnecessary.

Anonymous said...

10:30 AM

Yes, I spelled it, so you could understand it.

Anonymous said...

10:30 AM

Yes, I spelled it, so you could understand it.

Anonymous said...

5:39pm Debrah:

You are even rude to people who are nice to you. What's your problem? I do not understand the hostility of some posters, I really don't.

Anonymous said...

Joan

I think it's time to ban Debrah from LS. A despicable person.

Anonymous said...

9:48 You are a brave guy/gal. Agree completely. Joan - is that really you? What happened to Newport on your board? Or Purps? Suddenly, they diaappeared.

traveler said...

I see some anonymous posters are trying to create some sort of phony smoke screen. I am guessing they do not want the D-I-W posters to migrate here. There is so much to discuss, I see no need to demean another poster. These trolls are easy to detect, their comments are ridiculous, add nothing to the discussion, and they are usually anonymous. Even adding a name at the end of a post is one of their ploys. Let's just stay with the topics. There will be plenty to discuss with the upcoming trial.

Anonymous said...

Traveler - Like in General Lee's horse? where does the phony smoke screen come in? That baffles me. I hope we can all stay with the topic and forgo any insults.

Anonymous said...

Traveler

I agree with you re demeaning fellow posters. That's why I want Debrah gone. I am familiar with her rants on DIW. The things she's written about Professor Horwitz are off the radar screen.

Anonymous said...

You really should be speaking out about gun control in Cleveland so nutty white guys won't go into a school & gun down innocent children. There's a work that is much more important! Don't waste time advocating for drunken morons that degrade women because they think they're entitled. Put your work to good use for someone who deserves it.

I am here to support the boys, and to find justice for my murdered brother. THOSE are the reasons I am here, and they more than deserve attention. What happened here was another tragedy. The shooting was done by a 14 year old student, and my prayers goes out to all of the families, faculty, and students. All of our schools were closed today for a memorial day. Even though our crime ratio far exceeds Durham, our city does not pander to the "Powers That Be" such as in Bobby Cutts case, who was in Law Enforcement, and the fireman who shot and killed 4 of his neighbors on July 4th. At least my city and citizens unite to mourn, fight, and strive for JUSTICE. This is a word sadly lacking from Durham's vocabulary. I will continue in my quest, and continue to speak out against corruption. Most worthy causes, and valiantly pursued.
Rhonda Fleming
Cleveland, Ohio
Proud sister seeking JUSTICE!

Anonymous said...

Rhond - I do not mean to be rude but are you the JusticeforJack poster at the LS board? Did the folk there not attempt to assist your investigation of your brother's death? Then It all faded away and you left the board? Is this part true> I feel sorry for you and things work out. Please clarify this issue, Thanks

Anonymous said...

Yes I am, and on Court TV. I was suspended on the board for speaking up to Duke84. The DA in Durham, Mr Saacks has yet to make his decision to re-open Jack's case. It is NOT resolved, and will not be until there is an investigation, and accountability.
All prayers are deeply appreciated!
Respectfully,
Rhonda Fleming

traveler said...

To 12:26, KC did not allow rants, or off the radar comments on D-I-W. That is why it had so many thoughtful posters. There is a blog moderator, and it is their job to decide who posts. This blog could have 50-100 interesting comments for every article if given a fair chance. You, nor I have to agree with anyone.

Anonymous said...

KC has only been using the moderator for a few months. Before the fake letter from Roman, the comments went up instantly. I think the blog was better prior to moderation.

Debrah said...

TO "traveler"--

Your concern is the same one I have.

This board has no moderation.....or rather, the moderation is selective for a reason.

Those nasty posts that discuss human body functions of CGM and the racist description of her are from the poster who was banned on DIW by KC for writing a phony letter that he and all of us initially took seriously.

The same banned poster is responsible for most of the attacks on me here. He harbors a grudge. LOL!!!

He also provides a service for those here without the courage to attack...but want to.

This site has some good information and I like some of the cartoons, but the comment section is subpar. Witness, so few people participating.

Who wants to be subjected to such filth as is allowed?

There are a few very idle people on these blogs who have no life and just sit around making up scenarios or devising parodies.

Just to see the effect they have on people.

Most people take them at face value when skimming so many letters and comments...and this produces an orgasmic effect for those who have no life....except the internet.

Even KC was taken in by it once...as we all were.

Truth is, people like the Gang of 88 are actually much less literate than the fraudulent parody....so it takes a second look to see that it is, instead, from some idle clown.

Lastly, I find it hilarious that a few here are so nervous that I and perhaps other DIW (aka) Wonderland crew want to come here as a replacement for KC.

LOL!!!

Like many, I have visited many sites and post occasionally.

This place is not monitored and it has a vivid agenda. They couldn't handle the Diva.

And it's tragic to view so much obvious apprehensive envy.

Nothing and no one can replace KC.

Ever.

Anonymous said...

11.20

Say what?

Anonymous said...

Rhonda - what happened at Liestoppers? It looked like you quit the blog? WHY = were there not folk helping you with the evidence?

Anonymous said...

Oh. No. As a new poster from DIW, I'm so, so sorry. We don't all pepper every comment with "LOL" or "LIS", etc.

(I post as Lulu on the the Forum; not the same Lulu that has posted on a prior comment thread.)

Anonymous said...

I prefer not to elaborate about banning people. I just believe in fairness and freedom of speech.
Not everyone will agree with everyone, but I do not find it morally right to badger a person.
My family has a personal tie into Durham. Our rights have been blatantly disregarded. There was never a proper investigation into my brothers death, and I have been threatened by LE for my efforts. But their scare tactics do not intimidate me. I am on a path that I cannot escape. And until the day that there is, I will continue to fight for what is right.
Rhonda Fleming

Anonymous said...

I would also like to add that this topic is not about banning people. I have a lot of respect to my fellow hooligans, and have great admiration to Stuart, and KC.
So, with that being said, I will not comment further about my personal situation on this thread. I hope people respect and understand this is not a game, but is life and death. Prayers are deeply appreciated though, and my gratitude for those who have helped and supported me and my family through this dark nightmare.
Rhonda

Anonymous said...

Has LieStoppers become TruthStoppers?

Anonymous said...

Herald Sun
June 20, 2006

Write-in campaign for DA is self-serving

KATY MUNGER
Guest Columnist


How dare Jackie Brown evoke feminism as her excuse for pushing a write-in campaign for Lewis Cheek as a D.A. candidate -- especially while stealing Laurel Thatcher Ulrich's famous "well-behaved women" quote for her own in the bargain! Let's leave women and, indeed, all decent people out of this and recognize her latest scheme for what it is: an attempt at an end run around democracy and yet another example of how Durham politics has been hijacked by a handful of megalomaniacs for their own distorted gratification.
I have no idea what Brown's problem with Mike Nifong is and I don't want to know. Frankly, I voted for him despite his affiliation with her and am glad to see that they have parted ways. But I can tell you that this is a woman who tried to play so many sides against each other in the District 29 House race that it's a wonder she didn't throw her back out.

Here's a single case in point: after speaking out vociferously against my candidate at endorsement meetings, Brown wrote to our campaign offering to "help" -- her idea of help being to offer us smear letters she had written attacking one of our opponents, and to suggest that we find volunteers to pose as their authors and send them in to local newspapers.

We declined immediately in the name of honor, truthfulness and a deep love of literacy. Brown's assertion that she has never lost a race in her life is another excellent example of how she operates on half-truths: I believe there is the small matter of her own run for County Commissioner in 1994, a race she lost resoundingly by coming in sixth in a seven-person race. I urge Lewis Cheek to run the other way as fast as he can. As a Democrat, he has already had his chance to oppose Nifong. He could have thrown his hat into a crowded primary like all the other Democrats who duked it out in May and accepted the results graciously, as did my own candidate. To unaffiliate now in order to participate in a write-in campaign would be disingenuous at best.

This episode is yet more proof that it is truly time for the decent people of Durham to wake up, come together and change the way we elect leaders in this town. I am sick and tired of Durham being the joke of the state when it comes to politics because, frankly, it's not all that funny when we have to pay the price with mediocre leadership and sleazy politicians. I'm also sick and tired of political action committees being used as an excuse for a tiny handful of people to pursue personal vendettas or exert a need to control. And I am truly sick and tired of self-appointed "Karl Rove Jr.'s" cloaking their power plays in a veneer of municipal patriotism, "racial harmony" or, even worse, history in the making.

This write-in campaign would be neither progress nor groundbreaking. It would simply be self-serving politics as usual for Durham -- and the people of this town deserve better.

Katy Munger is a Durham-based writer and was Sandy Ogburn's campaign manager during the recent N.C. House 29 race.

Anonymous said...

Rhonda

Leave these jerks to themselves. They only care about the creeps who degrade women and hurl racial slurs at them. You're more deserving than these jerks will ever be. If they had true compassion for your cause, they would have done everything in their power to help you find justice for your brother. Instead of helping you find true justice, these idiots advocate for drunken thugs who has no respect for women of color. Ditch these jerks!

I truely hope you find justice, I know what it is like to lose a sister or brother. I've been there!

Don't waste precious time with these racist idiots. Your brother deserve better!

Anonymous said...

To 8:32 AM:

Interesting letter. I thought Jackie Brown was the "Making Durham better one person at a time" political "legend" who is the great hero on Liestoppers for something she did, but that no one will tell (it's a secret)?

Nifong's evidence of an "abhorrent" racially motivated and violent RAPE was a secret, too, for over a year. And, Jackie Brown was in bed with Nifong during the campaign that ultimately got him elected. She told media in July 2006 (but not published, conveniently, until January 2007, AFTER the election) that she did NOT leave Nifong because of the Duke lax case, yet came over to LS whimpering about how the poor boys had been mistreated by Nifong and that she just couldn't stand to see him doing that to them.

Now, she's the big hero at LS, who commands "repsect," can have threads deleted by merely asking, and who has moderators scraping the ground she walks on, disallowing any so-called "peronal attacks" that attempt to expose her and ask for answers to burning questions.

Truthstoppers, indeed. Wonder what Jackie Brown has to hide (besides her dishonest political tactics and her connections to the race-based PACs in Durham)?

Anonymous said...

So, Courthouse Connie, what have you done to help Rhonda? Please, go into details. Please tell us how you have done everything in your power to help her find justice for her brother.

emmy said...

I know that Rhonda has had MUCH help from many experts...this is a fact. Rhonda chose to not go public with the findings. That is her right, but don't for one second think that she did not get a TOP NOTCH team to go over her brother's file (and it was all done pro-bono)...

Anonymous said...

"don't for one second think that she did not get a TOP NOTCH team to go over her brother's file (and it was all done pro-bono)...
___________________________________
And so that is suppose to be good enough Emmy. You're a total creep!

Rhonda was on your board for months advocating for thuggish jerks who didn't deserve it. When she needed you people to stand up in her corner, You ditched her like a dirty rag.

You should wash your filthy mouth out with the most harsh soap. It will clean all those racist words that flow from your lips.

Jerk!

Debrah said...

TO 2:01 PM--

A magnificent power-post!

You are right on point.

That, along with the James Coleman 180, are revealing the particular brand of squalor this whole Hoax has been.

Unfortunate that some of these people were elevated to such a status by those who didn't have enough inside information.

The coot Brown is reported to have so many sides to her face that any talk of a future facelift would keep the surgeon in business for life.

Anonymous said...

Connie at 3:29 --

We didn't ask what insults you could toss at other people. We've already seen your full repertoire. We asked what you had done which showed you to be one bit better.

Anonymous said...

I never meant to have this topic hijacked about me. My story is one of many unsolved crimes. It just so happens to involve more negligence, and even more corruption. The point of it all is that Durham has an extremely long list of violations, and a shady lot as it's public officials. I have screamed for 2 years for Federal Intervention, and have been ignored by every official imaginable. Mr. Saacks has my brother's case before him now. He has yet to inform us of his decision to re-open the case. IMO, he KNOWS they "Fucked Up" again, pardon the pun, and we believe he will re-open it because Jack's death was never investigated, procedures were ignored, and our family has been denied due process of law. This is why I have supported the LAX3, because I alone have fought "The Powers That Be" and am completely aware of their denial to take responsibility, and then the rush to injustice.
As for the board members here. I have the utmost respect for numerous posters, and pity the hecklers. Some people just get off on others suffering, and I will NOT provide pictures of my dearest brother's body just to suffice curiosity. I was suspended from the forum over this matter. I do not agree this was fair, but already know that some people hope this case never makes it to the courts. Well, I will say that I am not afraid of taking on the "System." And as for the "help pro-bono" let me just say that this wasn't a "top notch effort" and have my reasons for doubting this so called "expert." My brother's death is not about debate, but about seeking the TRUTH! My mother and I have been lied to, ignored, and threatened. I am also aware of my posts being followed, and could care less. I promised God, our mother, and Jack to see this through to the end, and am not about to be deterred by hecklers. And yes, I am let down that after all I have added to this forum, that I was the one to be suspended. I came here for support against a vicious criminal enterprise called Durham NC, and am sad that unsolved murders are not as important as the LAX case. We will never see or touch our loved ones again. Our futures are full of sorrow and loss. What makes it worse is to be ignored and denied OUR rights to due process of law. This site is about corruption and lies, and our cases fit the criteria, yet we are left behind, and told not to speak about it?!
All I will say about this matter is that if this was your sibling, I would hope you would have the same diligence and strength to continue to fight, and not let naysayers keep you from the quest. This has been THE most painful experience imaginable! Then add having to battle Law Enforcement and government for fact's and answers. When this case FINALLY hits the courts and media, I will not be censored then.
Pandora's box was merely peeked into with the Nifong/Hoax, and the world has yet to see what truly lies beneath the surface. There is far more to bring to light. The police state is behind much of the organized crime. Top deputies recently were outed and caught on tape admitting to murders for hire, trafficking women and children for sexual slavery in strip clubs, massive cocaine distribution, counterfeiting, and God only knows what else, yet one was charged for possession of cocaine, and 2 more simply fired?! Where has the media been about this? Local people know all about the La Zona, and who runs the strip clubs, and controls the crime. "Media" controls what the public is fed, and this story was quickly swept under the rug. Well, I am here with my keyboard in place of the pen, and will continue to shout from the rooftops, until there is accountability, responsibility, and massive change.
Rhonda

Anonymous said...

It was certainly my impression that there were pro bono lawyers looking in the event on the LS Board. Suddenly, Rhonda left the board and asker for confidentality. Earlier on this board, I asked her "What happened over there." Her reply was that she would not discuss the case on this board. I return after a day and see it all over this board? I do not mean to be rude Rhonda but I do not see how your brother's death fits into the stated purpose of the board.

Anonymous said...

9:41PM again - Full disclosure. I am not a fan of the other LS Forum because of what I consider to be groupthink.

Anonymous said...

There was not pro-bono attorney help. It was an individual who claimed to have a forensic company. I asked for confidentiality because I did not agree with this person's "findings" and was told to drop the subject. As for my brother's death not "fitting" into this board, well it was my understanding this was about quashing corruption in Durham. I do not understand why people would say such a thing, because Jack lived and died in Durham, our family has been through the same system and abuse, and are dealing with the same cast of characters.
Believe me when I say that I would not have put my name and story out here for debate. The fact was and is about abuses in office, failure to adhere to protocol, and intentional disregard for rights and laws.
Rhonda

Anonymous said...

Back to Jackie Brown....

LS will not allow a debate regarding her motives. A debate which should take place because she is considered a power player in Durham, not to mention Bell's confidant.

She posts birthday greetings and news articles. She had tips (leaks) when something was getting ready to happen.

When pressed for facts, she responds with "Trust me, I know things." When pressed harder, the thread is closed.

If I did not know any better I would think her true purpose on LS is to divert attention away from Bell. "Trust me, I know things."

LS has decided no more truth be sought, especially if Jackie Brown's motives come onto play. She is off limits. She is LS's "precious."

Anonymous said...

You might have better luck with the Brown debate on Mel's blog.

Oh, the irony.

emmy said...

Rhonda, this comment tells me all I need to know about you...

"And as for the "help pro-bono" let me just say that this wasn't a "top notch effort" and have my reasons for doubting this so called "expert."



This is pretty damn despicable, and I hope that no one else is foolish enough to generously try to help you in the future.

Anonymous said...

Emmy:
I have my reasons for doubting this so called "expert" and including YOU into our private correspondence was NOT what I wanted. So, the oath of confidentiality was broken, and I have no reason to trust this person, or you. What is despicable are people who want to be in on gore, and have their own agenda. God forbid you would have to go through what we have, and I have nothing to apologize for. PERIOD.
Rhonda

Anonymous said...

As I said, I had no intent to turn this thread into debate about me. If anyone out here wishes to speak to me privately, I would be more than happy to elaborate. I have a lot of evidence, and proof of the deliberate attempts to "drop" this case. I know for a fact that the Pentagon, and DOJ watches this site, and am so glad they are. It just goes to show that the top officials in our government knows all about these dangerous bigots who are running the "Bull City" into a sea of corruption, but have yet to come forward to the public?!
While many of you hide under usernames, I have gone public from day one and used my real name. I have nothing to hide, and again am more than willing to tell the world about "my story." If anyone wants to REALLY know the TRUTH, contact me. RhondaFlemingJ4J@yahoo.com

emmy said...

You have every intention to turn all of this into something about you, Rhonda. I was not privvy to any of your case file or facts, btw, either (nor did I want to be), so that "oath" was not broken. You told the LS people that you would allow the facts to be postedb after the review, and you reneged...that speaks volumes.

Anonymous said...

Rhonda was banned permanently from Liestoppers discussion board because she made EVERYTHING in every thread about HER. Then, when she was challenged at all, she got very nasty, saying exactly what she is saying here, i.e. those people just wanted to see the gore and learn all the private details, etc.

This is Rhonda's modus operandi. She waits two years after her brother's death to permeate every discussion board with her story to gain sympathy, then viciously attacks anyone who challenges anything. She needs psychological help, not a review of her so-called "case." Her brother committed suicide. While that is sad and certainly affecting Rhonda, it's time for her to move on and stop sabotaging discussion boards that do not exist for her purposes.

Anonymous said...

emmy: You are a liar. I have all of the e-mails, with your address added. Plus the "expert" confessed to having you be his "proof-reader." I decided not to post this "expert" opinion, because I was told by Baldo not to, and because I thought the "expert" is not credible. My biggest regret is that I was badgered into sending him my documentation. Answers he gave me not only made no sense, they sounded exactly like the bile we have been spoon fed by LE. I love how when somebody does not buy into your way of thinking, speaks up, then "we" are censored, and banned. I did not come here to be a part of a clique. I also find it laughable to villainize me, and say I have spewn vicious attacks, when I have been the recipient. I also have had the courage to use my real name, as most of you do not. That speaks volumes. My MO was, and is about having the case re-opened to do the investigation that was never done. Rattle on all you wish, you do not know anything about me, or my brother's murder. I said in an earlier post to contact me at the yahoo address, yet you and your sidekicks prefer to gain attention by throwing insults. Just because some of you are hypocrites is not about to deter me from seeking the truth. WHEN the DA contacts us, he will have no choice but to re-open this case. If everything was so cut and dry, they would not have lied to us, taken over a year to send us one single report, and threaten me for asking questions they refused to answer. The LAX3 is by far the only case that has been sabotaged, and I will continue to fight for my brother, the other families of unsolved murders, and to "out" the LE as the egotistical mobsters they truly are. You aint seen nothing yet!
RhondaFlemingJ4J@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a good lawsuit could be filed against Rhonda by the professionals that provided her free services. I imagine that the written record would be quite revealing. I've copied these posts, too, so thanks for using your real name, Rhonda!

Anonymous said...

That is rich! The so called "professional" NEVER provided me with anything other than his opinion. I never received anything documented from other so called experts. The findings of Mr. Professional were ridiculous. Exit wounds not bleeding, blood being blue, the ATT used as a shooting place, was proof enough to me to see this person was FOS.
I don't see through rose colored glasses, and my spidey senses tell me when I am being bamboozled. Copy my posts all you wish, it will only prove my insistence and denial of my requests for an investigation. I have never hid behind my keyboard, and am not about to start now. I am who I am, but who are you, and what is your MO to copy my posts that are already available to the world on the board? Hmmm, smells like "stalker" to me.
Rhonda Fleming
Cleveland, Ohio

emmy said...

Rhonda, again, I never read one file or report from your case, nothing. I got put on your email list to my chagrin, and got some emails that were sent after the investigation that you say was not an investigation was complete...and btw I got a real eye-opener in terms of how nasty you get when confronted with the truth...I am trying to couch my words here, because I really believe that you are not a very stable person, and let me add, I was NOT happy about being included in the email list, because you are not someone who I want any contact from. I have never initiated *any* contact with you, via email, or PM (although I did acknowledge a PM you sent me through LS wishing you well in your endeavor). The proof-read that Joe spoke of had nothing to do with his working your case-he would never have *me* proof-read anything, since I am an expert on nothing. It was basically an attempt to get another set of eyes to see if he had not been too hard on you (which in itself is funny, because I told him right after he decided to help you out that he was NUTS to get involved with you in ANY way! I called *that* one now, didn't I?!)...why don't you let your brother rest in peace????

Anonymous said...

emmy: Again, you are such a liar. I have the emails, so babble on all you wish, maybe you will convince yourself. Your reputation speaks for itself. So does your pathetic attempts to stalk/follow me. I think you have been online for too long, and have reality confused with fiction. Attacking my stability just shows you to be a jealous and crass person. My brother will "rest in peace," once his murder is solved, and not until then. If you need attention so much, get a job at Walmart being a greeter. Or better yet, get off your computer and go outdoors. The fresh air may help in removing the cloud from the space between your ears.
Rhonda

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