It will just get uglier and uglier and uglier
Stuart Taylor, co-author of Until Proven Innocent, was greeted warmly last night at Duke University during a book signing which was followed by a speaking appearance. The event sponsored by Duke Students for an Ethical Duke was the second in a series presenting the co-authors of UPI. In September Professor KC Johnson spoke candidly about the conditions in the Durham & Duke community which promoted the rush to prejudge the Lacrosse team over the false accusations of a mentally disturbed women. See LieStoppers article.
During his presentation Stuart Taylor was equally critical of the Duke Faculty and community.
"The picture of what you can paint of what these people did here is even darker than what we portrayed in this book," he said. "As it unravels, I believe it will just get uglier and uglier and uglier."
He was particularly harsh toward Duke professors, saying they were so far beyond the left of political spectrum that they sometimes behaved as "Stalinists" and "Fascists."
"There was such malice, malevolence and hatred that erupted from some of the Duke faculty against the lacrosse players," he said. "But there wasn't any medical evidence of rape. It was a fraud." Durham Herald-Sun
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The 88 have disgraced themselves in the eyes of most of the country. I doubt they think that but they are keeping their heads down. In the end, they have done a lot of harm to themselves.
"Group of 88" is the right term for them, since "88" is neo-Nazi slang for "Heil Hitler."
"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."- Mike "Adolf Hitler" Nifong
1.No, the Group of 88 have not damaged themselves. They actually gained strength at Duke and their viewpoint gained strength everywhere. They have been promoted,or moved to better jobs elsewhere and have a new campus initiative they are involved with. They spoke up against what they saw as racism on campus and the community was energised. It is no secret the community as a whole is more sensitive about race and demeaning actions and language right now because of what the Group of 88 started. Look at the last few months since their statement on the lacrosse situation and you will see:
Don Imus was removed from his job for racially demeaning comments
Michael Richards disgraced for his heckling of black audience members and threatening them with Lynching
Now Dog the bounty hunter has been similarly exposed and now he is also off the air
Bill Oreilly was also exposed for racist comments about eating at a Soul food restaurant
Black comedian Eddie Griffin was removed from the stage at an event for Black Enterprise for using the N word
And the biggest episode of all, The Jena 6 demonstration. Black people from all walks of life converged on a racist KKK hotbed and let them know the whole world was watching and they were thousands strong. Other blacks at home wore black the whole day in solidarity. Some of the people on the buses were from Durham and some of them cited the Lacrosse case as an example of disrespecting a black woman and getting away with it and that made them want to get involved in the Jena case. simply put, black people are not taking this stuff quietly any more!
So the Group of 88 have not lost ground. People who beleve it is ok to use racial slurs and to send perverted and threatening racist emails are the ones losing ground( not just the American Psycho one; many Lax supporters sent racist emails to the Group of 88 professors). That is why UPI is a flop as it is an apologia for racist people. Stuart Taylor, for example, still cannot admit that the players started the hostilities that happened: Kim was retalitating after one of the players( Lamade) told her to sodomise herself with a broomstick, a completely uncalled for comment and one that could have turned dangerous if someone had decided to do this to the 2 women who were outnumbered by the team by about 35 to 2! Also, little d--k white boys is not the equivalent of the N word or the cotton shirt comment. Sorry Stuart Taylor, you have made an ass of yourself by supporting the racist viewpoint and that is why the book is stalling.
3:18 I believe you're mistaken.
The views of many have been changed by this case. The agendas of the 88 and their sympathizers have been exposed. The racist agendas of the NCNAACP, NBPP, AS, JJ, etc. have been exposed.
Many who supported (and fought) the fight for civil rights/equality in the early 1900's -- their eyes have been opened by this case. Many now realize that 'the fight' is more often not about equality but about power. Many will now not take the race card at face value -- they'll look deeper for the agenda/slant and see it for what it is.
Have I harmed my children by raising them to be color blind? No, but we now discuss the fact that not everyone believes as we do -- some DO judge and act based on race, religion, etc that sometimes their agendas are hidden, sometimes blatant -- I use the 88 as an example.
I won't argue the fact of this case with you. Your view is slanted. Anyone who believes the lax brought a false claim of rape and illegal/immoral actions of the DPD, DA, Judges, 88, etc. on themselves -- needs to take a look at their own life... and imagine what their own actions may have deserved (30 years to life for attending a party and underaged drinkin??)....
I'd also be willing to bet that all of the "hate" mail received by the Gang of 88 (combined) pales in comparison to Huston Baker's open letter to the administration or his email response to an lax mom. Had their been merit to the 88's racist/hate mail claim -- no doubt we'd have seen legal action -- and claims of hate crimes.
To 3:18,
I think you are right. The group of 88 has been able to perpetuate their victim status with no accountability. Imagine if a “white” male had dehumanized a group of “black” males, by calling them a bunch of scummy “black “males and farm animals. Do you think that white male would still have his job? Probably not. Yet Houston Baker used those words, inserting “white” for black without any repercussions. Don Imus lost his job for calling a team “Nappy headed hos”, yet Houston Baker still has his job for calling the team “farm animals”. Fair? Just? Equal? I don’t think so.
The infamous Kim Curtis is teaching next semester at Duke. Karla Holloway is teaching at Harvard. So I do think you are right. The group of 88 has done very well advancing their agendas on the backs of the lacrosse team. Clumping them together as “one”. Never did this group apologize to the 10 or so members who were not at the party. Never did this group apologize to those who were not drinking. Never did this group apologize to any lacrosse members for their rush to judgment. Never did they try to speak with the team. Why, because they were not interested in these young men as people, individuals. That would not have served their purpose. Dehumanize them, demonize them, because that suits their purpose and academia is frightened to disciple them because it is not politically correct.
In reality, if you demonize the lacrosse team, you are rewarded as has been evidenced by all the appointments to committees and Nartey’s awards and his appearance at “The Conversation with Duke”. Duke needs help. Academia needs help. I hope that as the group of 88 sit back and reaps their rewards, those who see how dehumanizing one group without repercussions will lead to dehumanizing another will continue to fight for fairness and equality. The group of 88 did not care about these concepts.
"They was asking for it; frame them for rape." Whore
"I hope that as the group of 88 sit back and reaps their rewards, those who see how dehumanizing one group without repercussions will lead to dehumanizing another will continue to fight for fairness and equality. The group of 88 did not care about these concepts."
And oh how they hate that Stuart Taylor, KC Johnson and UPI have (and continue to)point out their lack of caring ....
The Group of 88 has inspired a tidal wave of racism and sexism. Only a moron looks at Don Imus and Michael Richards and thinks that white Americans are becoming more sensitive.
88 on Duke: "They didn't do anything; lock them up because they're white."
88 on Jena: "They beat a man nearly to death; let them go because they're black."
If this event was a direct result of a staff nurse at DUMC, why did Nifong lose his job and license to practice law?
Knowingly prosecuting three innocent men, based solely on the ravings of a deranged serial false accuser, might give you a clue to that.
I assume the deranged serial false accuser is Crystal. Nifong cared nothing about her, Durham, the defendents or anyone else - he was only interested in winning an election with black votes.
He may not have cared about her, but he enabled her. Without him she couldn't have done what she did, and she will always be responsible.
And without her, he couldn't have done what he did....
As the 'minister of justice' Nifong had the professional responsibility in this case. He not only failed miserably he viciously pursued three innocent young men, hid and lied about the evidence -- and was enabled by DPD and city leaders. Nifong belongs in prison - for much longer than one day.
What Mangum did pales in comparison to what Durham city, county and NC state employees did....
They both belong in prison.
Any word yet on the Pulitzer for Johnson and Taylor?
I do not think Nifong enabled Crystal but used her to win an election. Prison time is not part of the five hundred dollar fine in NC for false rape claims. BTW, the defendents did not get a court date for the trial let alone more than an hour in booking.
That doesn't matter. The accusation alone is a permanent injury to these boys and to her other victims.
Crystal is scum. Cover your eyes to that fact all you like, but she's been doing this for a long time. Society needs to be protected from con artists like her.
A five hundred dollar fine for a false rape claim is an insult. The woman needs to serve the same amount of time that the boys would have served had they been convicted.
Currently the justice system does not work that way, Although, folk like to rattle off numbers, had there been a change of venue, there was a good change there would be no conviction,
That's not good enough.
If you point a gun at somebody and fire, you are guilty of attempted murder whether you hit or not. This crime was hardly less serious.
See 10:36 - The two are not the same. That is overkill on this subject. I agree 3:09.
No, they're not the same, because being shot at doesn't have the same lingering effect that these false accusations will always have on these boys. Their lives have been ruined.
Let's quit with the rationalizing and the excuses and punish Mangum the same way we would any other worthless criminal.
12:28: I have invested hours that probably add up to many week's worth of book and blog reading / writing. Until now,I have never quite got my head around how I feel about Crystal Magnum.
I think I finally have.
However sick and drug abused, etc. Crystal may be, she is still capable of making choices. If she is NOT, she does not need to have custody of her children.
If she IS so capable, she needs to be held fully responsible for her actions and assertions.
We have talked a lot about the intellectually and morally corrupt "politically correct" fiasco. Current PC would have us believe that all sick people are victims. That is hogwash. Some sick people are sick because of choices. Many in fact.
People need to be held accountable for their choices and their actions.
The defense may have determined that Crystal is actually a liability to their case because she apparently can alter her testimony to fit the situation. I guess you call that a chameleon witness?
But Crystal Magnum either needs a hospital or jail, or both. She absolutely does NOT need to go free. If she does, the message to others of her ilk is loud and clear, and the next victims of such a hoax may not have brilliant lawyers and committed bloggers to save their hides.
12:28 Their lives have not been ruined and they have millions to help them along in their life. That works for me. Being shot at is no picnic and you could get killed.
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